2 title defenses against Jardine and Kennedy is nowhere near as impressive as beating Anderson, Machida and TRT Belfort.It's arguable. but certainly is not just about UFC. Rockholds career didnt started in the UFC (where he took the belt from Weidman by the way) His championship run in Strikeforce is seious too
We are not in 2006 anymore. Just like Frank Shamrock is not in the list neither. America have produced some very good MWs in the last decade who can take Franklin's spot
2 title defenses against Jardine and Kennedy is nowhere near as impressive as beating Anderson, Machida and TRT Belfort.
2 title defenses against Jardine and Kennedy is nowhere near as impressive as beating Anderson, Machida and TRT Belfort.
We're not in 1947 anymore either but anyone who has Chuck Yeager outside Top 5 American pilots is a witless imbecile.
my bad, you're right. He still had some residual T and brief moments of explosiveness though.Vitor was off the T and soft AF by the time he was fed to Chris.
Some fighters evolve through their career, mate. Just like Woodley from Strikeforce days is not the same as today.
Sonnen since he beat Alexei Oleynik is such a great fighter.
Lol as much as you want, wins over Suloev, Filho, Okami, Marquardt, Stann and Bisping at MW are serious. His 24 minut tittle fight with Anderson Silva in his prime is serious as well. He choked out Shogun too, keep laughing
I am laughing, and choking out a past his prime shogun in a different weight class means nothing here
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Can't believe it
Putting Gastelum,Branch and fucking Kennedy in front of him
God damn noob
You have to dig deeper, realistically...Actually means something but ok.
Then focus on his wins over Suloev, Filho, Okami, Marquardt, Stann and Bisping among others at MW, or his 24 minut tittle fight with Anderson Silva in his prime.
Sonnen around 30 years old was a legit force at 185. Excellent mma wrestling and conditioning, and solid BJJ by that time. You can keep laughing at it but he was legit
Hendo #1 is a no-brainer.1.Dan Henderson
2.Luke Rockhold
3.Chris Weidman
4.Chael Sonnen
5.Nate Marquardt
6.Jake Shields (for actually beating Hendo)
7.Tim Kennedy
8.Dave Branch
9.Kelvin Gastelum
10.Rich Franklin/Frank Shamrock/Matt Lindland/Jason Miller/Robbie Lawler//Derek Brunson?
Who else?
You have to dig deeper, realistically...
Sonnen arguably lost vs BS-Ping, and he would be the 1st to admit it... And it´s not a good sign when you lose to a journeyman like BS-Ping...
Quoting the 2nd Filho fight is obviously not a good idea, Im sure you will acknowledge it...Sonnen couldnt even outjab a completely Rohypnol-ed Filho...
The win over Suloev is legit, but... Suloev, as great as he was, was not a legit MW or LHW, so...was quite undersized unfortunately...
Stann was not that great, tbh...
Marquardt is someone who fought @ WW too...
Sonnen´s 1st fight vs Spider...You can feel free to be impressed, but tbh I wasnt...
Hendo #1 is a no-brainer.
If u dont put Frank higher, can only means that you primarily consider him a LHW...
Gigantic Hendo fan here but u have him way high1.Dan Henderson
2.Luke Rockhold
3.Chris Weidman
4.Chael Sonnen
5.Nate Marquardt
6.Jake Shields (for actually beating Hendo)
7.Tim Kennedy
8.Dave Branch
9.Kelvin Gastelum
10.Rich Franklin/Frank Shamrock/Matt Lindland/Jason Miller/Robbie Lawler//Derek Brunson?
Who else?
Gigantic Hendo fan here but u have him way high
Hendo was from the old era, he’s best known for scrapping regardless of weight class. His best MW accomplishment was the Pride 185 lb Grand Prix which simultaneously crowned him weight div champ but he fell short of Strikeforce 185 and UFC 185 (twice)
Franklin needs to be higher out of respect even if his wins were lesser quality than eras after him, he was and fought the best “at the time” in the UFC
Gigantic Hendo fan here but u have him way high
TS went full retard on Rich Franklin