honestly, id say its that for any grappling art. its flashy and can catch someone unsuspecting off guard, but usually would make much more sense just to fight for hooks.it seems like a high risk low reward technique for mma
I agree with you.
Chael did not hang on and execute with tenacity; instead, he "went through the motions," let go, and just somersaulted himself into a vulnerable position.
Forget the somersault-let-go technique, WTH do you call this technique?:
Is this the new, "Let go for no reason, curl-up, and get pounded" technique?
Please don't tell me this was a legit effort. Watch again. Closely. It wasn't.
Chael should have stuck with the fundamentals.
here's an mma example
This. The only way a GI would assist is with the friction of gi-on-gi with the roll.I don’t think a gi would matter here since it’s a seat belt grip that you can grab in a no-gi. No lapels or stuff like that needed. Maybe some variation could use grips like that, but you can pull this off no matter the outfit.
Exactly what you said - it's typically a sub pulled off when you have the back with a seatbelt grip with no hooks.I have grappled for years and still get stuck on this move. Easier to hit as a shoulder roll from the side/turtle than where Sonnen was. I was surprised lots of people had no idea what he was doing as i had assumed plenty of people who train watch the sport but maybe an increase in casuals? Honestly I think Sonnen was just trying funky shit to make it entertaining as he was getting a whoopin
Exactly what you said - it's typically a sub pulled off when you have the back with a seatbelt grip with no hooks.
Chael likely pulled it off against other MWs in training, but being rocked and scrambling to his back, thought that a high risk sub was a good idea. He wanted that fight over with asap, whether he won or not.
Especially considering how stagnant Chael's grappling has become in his old age (holding position without throwing so much as a strike against Rampage and Wanderlei), it's perplexing that he even attempted such a high risk sub when he had Fedor's back.
I genuinely believe Chael throws fights, but that's just my tin foil hat wearing opinion
lots of dipshits on these forums pretending to be experts. Please keep this bumped so they can all learn something.
Thanks to @loyalyolayal
doesn't matter which way you try to spin it, it looked suspect as hell, and there were multiple times where chael was in a good position and just gave it away.
i can confidently say that if theres anyone that would throw fights, it would be chael.
Exactly what you said - it's typically a sub pulled off when you have the back with a seatbelt grip with no hooks.
Chael likely pulled it off against other MWs in training, but being rocked and scrambling to his back, thought that a high risk sub was a good idea. He wanted that fight over with asap, whether he won or not.
Especially considering how stagnant Chael's grappling has become in his old age (holding position without throwing so much as a strike against Rampage and Wanderlei), it's perplexing that he even attempted such a high risk sub when he had Fedor's back.
I genuinely believe Chael throws fights, but that's just my tin foil hat wearing opinion
Exactly what you said - it's typically a sub pulled off when you have the back with a seatbelt grip with no hooks.
Chael likely pulled it off against other MWs in training, but being rocked and scrambling to his back, thought that a high risk sub was a good idea. He wanted that fight over with asap, whether he won or not.
Especially considering how stagnant Chael's grappling has become in his old age (holding position without throwing so much as a strike against Rampage and Wanderlei), it's perplexing that he even attempted such a high risk sub when he had Fedor's back.
I genuinely believe Chael throws fights, but that's just my tin foil hat wearing opinion
I thought they came in the fight at about the same weight...Come on now. It either has to be fixed or Fedor has to be "tree times his size"?Lol it’s not that he didn’t go for a legit technique, it’s the question of why the hell he went for that against a heavyweight who’s a super strong competitor. Chael sonnens composure is so bizarre sometimes