This is what Chael was trying to do from the back.

it seems like a high risk low reward technique for mma
honestly, id say its that for any grappling art. its flashy and can catch someone unsuspecting off guard, but usually would make much more sense just to fight for hooks.
 
I agree with you.

Chael did not hang on and execute with tenacity; instead, he "went through the motions," let go, and just somersaulted himself into a vulnerable position.

Forget the somersault-let-go technique, WTH do you call this technique?:



Is this the new, "Let go for no reason, curl-up, and get pounded" technique?

Please don't tell me this was a legit effort. Watch again. Closely. It wasn't.

Lost all respect for Chael after this fight, he's nothing but a damn bum. In my opinion he threw the fucking fight.
 
Chael should have stuck with the fundamentals.

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If at first you don't succeed...
 
here's an mma example

That one looks pretty good but what's the weight difference? Those look like 155~. Pulling that shit off on a heavyweight is ridiculous and won't work. Like when DJ did a flying arm bar, it looks good but I don't see that happening at 170 and above. Conor can barely win at 155, Khabib would probably have some real problems at 170.
 
He hit the lottery when that poor shoot tripped Fedor up and he ended up on his back. How many times has Fedor had his back taken in a fight?

That was about a low success move as he could have made from a dominant position, but he was rocked and panicked. I'm sure Chael regretted the roll exactly .005 seconds after he attempted it.

He had almost zero chance of beating Fedor IMO. I think he knew it, too, hence all the reckless moves.
 
He was foolish to think he'd going to turn Fedor that way who grossly outweighed him. That looked embarrassingly bad.

His best bet was to go full on Royce UFC1
 
I have grappled for years and still get stuck on this move. Easier to hit as a shoulder roll from the side/turtle than where Sonnen was. I was surprised lots of people had no idea what he was doing as i had assumed plenty of people who train watch the sport but maybe an increase in casuals? Honestly I think Sonnen was just trying funky shit to make it entertaining as he was getting a whoopin
 
I don’t think a gi would matter here since it’s a seat belt grip that you can grab in a no-gi. No lapels or stuff like that needed. Maybe some variation could use grips like that, but you can pull this off no matter the outfit.
This. The only way a GI would assist is with the friction of gi-on-gi with the roll.

I used to hit a lot of unorthodox stuff from the back because everyone is so concerned with defending the choke. Armbar from the back was my highest success sub, but I would also hit the occasional darce from the same position Chael was in.

Saying that, Chael is not a dynamic BJJ practitioner. His bread and butter is positional grappling, and getting Fedor's back is a testament to that.

Why he went for such a high risk sub against one of the best submission defense specialists of all time....only Chael could answer that.
 
I have grappled for years and still get stuck on this move. Easier to hit as a shoulder roll from the side/turtle than where Sonnen was. I was surprised lots of people had no idea what he was doing as i had assumed plenty of people who train watch the sport but maybe an increase in casuals? Honestly I think Sonnen was just trying funky shit to make it entertaining as he was getting a whoopin
Exactly what you said - it's typically a sub pulled off when you have the back with a seatbelt grip with no hooks.

Chael likely pulled it off against other MWs in training, but being rocked and scrambling to his back, thought that a high risk sub was a good idea. He wanted that fight over with asap, whether he won or not.

Especially considering how stagnant Chael's grappling has become in his old age (holding position without throwing so much as a strike against Rampage and Wanderlei), it's perplexing that he even attempted such a high risk sub when he had Fedor's back.

I genuinely believe Chael throws fights, but that's just my tin foil hat wearing opinion ;)
 
Man... If Chael had won...Dana would have been all over..

" Fedor sucks... He lost to Chael"...blah blahh...
 
Exactly what you said - it's typically a sub pulled off when you have the back with a seatbelt grip with no hooks.

Chael likely pulled it off against other MWs in training, but being rocked and scrambling to his back, thought that a high risk sub was a good idea. He wanted that fight over with asap, whether he won or not.

Especially considering how stagnant Chael's grappling has become in his old age (holding position without throwing so much as a strike against Rampage and Wanderlei), it's perplexing that he even attempted such a high risk sub when he had Fedor's back.

I genuinely believe Chael throws fights, but that's just my tin foil hat wearing opinion ;)

Yep the only way I hit this is from seatbelt grip and the other person usually lands in full back control and if you stuff it up there is some options for recovering positions and some other subs.
 
doesn't matter which way you try to spin it, it looked suspect as hell, and there were multiple times where chael was in a good position and just gave it away.


i can confidently say that if theres anyone that would throw fights, it would be chael.

Seriously WTF? You think someone throwing a fight would do it like that or would he simply have taken the ko in the first 4 seconds?
 
Exactly what you said - it's typically a sub pulled off when you have the back with a seatbelt grip with no hooks.

Chael likely pulled it off against other MWs in training, but being rocked and scrambling to his back, thought that a high risk sub was a good idea. He wanted that fight over with asap, whether he won or not.

Especially considering how stagnant Chael's grappling has become in his old age (holding position without throwing so much as a strike against Rampage and Wanderlei), it's perplexing that he even attempted such a high risk sub when he had Fedor's back.

I genuinely believe Chael throws fights, but that's just my tin foil hat wearing opinion ;)

I thought he tapped at the end that's not throwing a fight that's called giving up cause ur getting ur ass kicked
 
Exactly what you said - it's typically a sub pulled off when you have the back with a seatbelt grip with no hooks.

Chael likely pulled it off against other MWs in training, but being rocked and scrambling to his back, thought that a high risk sub was a good idea. He wanted that fight over with asap, whether he won or not.

Especially considering how stagnant Chael's grappling has become in his old age (holding position without throwing so much as a strike against Rampage and Wanderlei), it's perplexing that he even attempted such a high risk sub when he had Fedor's back.

I genuinely believe Chael throws fights, but that's just my tin foil hat wearing opinion ;)

He had no hooks and was scared to get judo tossed again so he panicked for hooks and Fedor bucked him off that's what clearly happened
 
Lol it’s not that he didn’t go for a legit technique, it’s the question of why the hell he went for that against a heavyweight who’s a super strong competitor. Chael sonnens composure is so bizarre sometimes
 
Lol it’s not that he didn’t go for a legit technique, it’s the question of why the hell he went for that against a heavyweight who’s a super strong competitor. Chael sonnens composure is so bizarre sometimes
I thought they came in the fight at about the same weight...Come on now. It either has to be fixed or Fedor has to be "tree times his size"?
 
This is a pretty high level type of technique. Guys who have grappled their entire lives can’t do this. This takes precession.
 
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