This is Igor.....for you noobs

gono btw said:
For instance, Leonardo Castelo Branco was BJJ Next Gen at that time, highly regarded...

Edson Carvalho [BJJ/Judo], the infamous Death Master, was hespected in the Brazilian scene...

Nick Nutter had a short career, Hammer House dude...

Mikhail Ilyukhin, sambo champ, pioneer @ RTT, b4 Fedor...Experienced vet, tricky like hell...

Many sambo dudes in all these tournaments, but they didnt have many opportunities to shine due to them being Eastern European and the limitations of the NHB/ValeTudo market back then...
Personally, I like to study those forgotten fighters...

On a sidenote, Igor also fought in Pride: Valentijn Overeem [powerful striker who developped a legit ground game, in particular a sound leglocks arsenal] , Carlos Barreto [BJJ giant from Carlson´s...had the physical tool to develop a lethal striking but was always a lil bit too hesitant...], Yvel [good striking indeed... he even developped a decent ground game later on, pulling some nice armbars...]

Big Daddy actually had a boxing [amateur] background, decent striker but his fight IQ was not that great...
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You have great following of BJJ history, that's cool!

Ilyukhin of course, he beat Randy as well. Igor lost to him though.

So yeah, Igor beat good grapplers indeed - I just have a feeling these grapplers adapted to MMA less than they used to.
Take for example Mario Sperry - the guy who beat Igor as well. IIRC, he was the first one that made BJJMMA seminars - explaining how you use punches on the ground to work on submission. "And then you punch punch punch...soften him up...."

Re: Gary - I know that he was an amateur boxer. Maybe that was bad fight IQ, maybe bad defense (or definitely?) maybe not that sharp of a technique - I just don't see him as a great striker.
 
Igor was always one of my favorites but his loss to Tra Telligman is still a WTF moment for me, I expected Igor to simply run over Tra... Imagine if he had both pecs!

His loss to Coleman is also a low moment and that one always seemed to bother him the most since he could have won the Grand Prix with that win.

Then that Cro cop KO ended things for him at the highest level. Which also hurt me because Igor seemed to be in the best shape I ever saw him for that fight.
 
Typrune Goatley said:
Wand vs Igor would probably be a 50/50 fight at any point in their careers. Especially when it was discussed at the end of PRIDE when both were already past their primes.

Igor definitely faced some good strikers like: Gilbert Yvel, Masaaki Satake, Gary Goodridge 2x.

He also fought but lost to Cro Cop, Herring, Rampage and Overeem but no shame in losing to those guys, especially toward the end of his career. Only CC beat him on the feet. The rest beat him with grappling.

Igor was only KO'ed standing up once in 70 fights and that was to CC. He was a very skilled striker with power and timing to knock anybody out. Good grapplers were his only weakness.
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Why don't you recall him being outstruck badly by Tra Telligman?

And I don't really see Yvel as a good striker really...he comes from that background, he trained with them, he had KO power - but never a technician.
And IIRC - Igor went full sambo with Satake - rightfully so, too.

I don't believe prime Wanderlei vs primer Igor being 50/50.
I believe Igor would've been outstruck badly, and KOd eventually. Maybe by some dirty technique that Wandy preferred, but he would've stopped Igor.
 
AimedWithV said:
You present it like it's a video you made yourself recently, and not one of the first quality highlights MMA video that was published before you hit puberty.
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What’s puberty like?




It’s always fun to relive the early days of MMA in highlight form. Thanks @Agent Mulder's Hair .
 
AimedWithV said:
You have great following of BJJ history, that's cool!

Ilyukhin of course, he beat Randy as well. Igor lost to him though.

So yeah, Igor beat good grapplers indeed - I just have a feeling these grapplers adapted to MMA less than they used to.
Take for example Mario Sperry - the guy who beat Igor as well. IIRC, he was the first one that made BJJMMA seminars - explaining how you use punches on the ground to work on submission. "And then you punch punch punch...soften him up...."

Re: Gary - I know that he was an amateur boxer. Maybe that was bad fight IQ, maybe bad defense (or definitely?) maybe not that sharp of a technique - I just don't see him as a great striker.
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Ilyukhin, sure he had those infamous chin-to-the-eye moves, but he literally schooled/"fooled" Randy:

@ 10mn 30

https://ok.ru/video/245680836952

imo, Sperry´s grappling, like the vast majority of them BJJ specialists turned MMArtists, was quite text-book...Not much room for dynamic groundgame and creative transitions...

Big Daddy was a JusBleed striker...Sometimes, he would be strangely exposed, like against Achmed Labasanov who managed to outbox him, with unorthodox boxing...
 
Igor made a guy tap from headbutts from the bottom. HEADBUTTS FROM THE BOTTOM.
 
The Neckbeard said:
Most of modern day Sherdog are just turning 18 so they wouldn't know who Igor was.

They'll chime in and throw a Conor gif somewhere here just watch "Who da Fook is day guy" bullshit.
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or say how Conor would fuck him up and be dead serious. Or how Fedor was exposed after 10 years undefeated and over 30 fights. Now that I think of it, most of them are just retarded dickheaded little trolls on here.
 
Adamant said:
I'm still sad we didn't get Igor vs Wand in PRIDE.
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i remember someone saying that alistair overeem single-handedly ruined the MW GP. he choked out vitor, which meant no vitor vs wanderlei rematch, then went on and choked out igor, which meant no igor vs wanderlei.
 
AimedWithV said:
You present it like it's a video you made yourself recently, and not one of the first quality highlights MMA video that was published before you hit puberty.
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LUL YOU GOT OWNED
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Agent Mulder's Hair said:
Igor would k0 most of the ufc hw division today
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He was good for his time, but modern day HWs would crush him easily. The skill gap made up for the size during his time.

Today's HWs, as awful as they are, are better than the part time bouncers or truck drivers he was can crushing.
 
Great thread!
Igor is one of the most entertaining fighters to ever set foot in a ring/octagon.
Crazy punching power, one of the reasons he had to call it quits as he shattered his hands rearranging other peoples faces.
Oh man, I miss Igor :(
 
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danny23 said:
He was good for his time, but modern day HWs would crush him easily. The skill gap made up for the size during his time.

Today's HWs, as awful as they are, are better than the part time bouncers or truck drivers he was can crushing.
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I don't think you know who Igor's opponents were. Guys who were NCAA All American / Champion wrestlers, competitive Judokas, Dutch Muy Thai Champion Kickboxers, Pancrase Champions, Carlson Gracie BJJ Black Belts, K1 Champion level Kickboxers, etc etc.

These guys aren't Tank Abott
 
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