This INCEL Thing is F’d Up

95% of sherdog is incels, you don’t see any of them going and ordering people over it.

I’m a vcell since I’m married.
 
I don’t buy that posthumous fame is that big of a motivator... after all, these kids are all atheistic nihilists... why should they care what other people think of them after that are dead?
It's the main motivator.

It's also not that teenage promiscuity is the cure, it's the cause most likely. It isn't just that they are celibate, it's that they think everyone else is getting laid and they aren't. You yourself called them "useless losers" in your OP, so that's what they feel like. Getting their name and their little psychotic manifesto plastered on the news is the only way they'll ever matter to anyone. It seems they'll take the one thing they know will give them some recognition. The news and social media do not help things.
 
Apparently, in 2018, being an involuntarily celibate male is sufficient explanation for mass murder.

W... T... F...

1. There have always been involuntarily celibate males. They didn’t used to murder folks. What has changed?

2. This idea of an “incel” being a “problem” sort of presupposes the idea that extra marital sex is normal and good... I mean, it wasn’t that long ago that celibacy was the expected norm for unmarried people. Now it’s become a condition of sufficient pathology to justify murder? And are we really comfortable with the implication that teenage promiscuity is a GOOD thing— something that can prevent mass murder?

3. The whole incel idea seems to be the apogee of the “wronged white male” phenomenon that we see so commonly in internet discussion. These incels feel genuinely WRONGED that no women want to fuck them... despite the fact that they are, to all appearances, useless losers who have done NOTHING to make themselves suitable mates. How does this happen? How does a man lose perspective (or never have it) to this degree?

This whole incel this is like the inverted, cancerous image if the “safe space” phenomenon... How did men get so utterly fucked in the head?


1. Back in the day Incels were the Uglies of the world, I mean 1 out of 10s of the world....and even then they could get with an ugly......People stayed in there leagues back then so...Average with Average, etc for the most part.....Not only that but back then, people actually talked with eachother.....Women talked with men, etc in towns....It felt much more as a community, thus a man could convince a women to be with them regardless of how good they looked.....

Other than School which is 100% Bullshit Hierarchy.....Guys don't have any other means to talk to women IRL, other than internet...What I mean by this, is that a Guy can't just go up to a chick at walmart and get to know her....I mean he can but he will be labeled a creep, sexual harraser etc .....Back in the day, in small towns, you would know plenty of girls and it was much more acceptable to talk to them....There was simply much more opportunities to talk to girls and it was ok.


Now a days...Incels are Average looking guys that act somewhat normal......Add in the fact that the Ugly/Average women can get laid with people out of their league thus it builds resentment.....add in that a lot of these guys are used to just interneting and staying home, and you could see how that could also fuck with their mind.


2. Our society is full of sex...Just see any tv show, and they will throw in a sex scene that makes ZERO sense.....Add in porn....add in that there is alot of sexual people now a days in social media, etc........Again, this creates resentment....Specially when you hear the SJW movement, being about equality and all this bullshit....Yet these Incels can't get laid, and alot of the women who deny them, consider themselves pro SJW.

3. First of all, I don't believe it's only a white male problem...This extends to Males overall....Society has confused a lot of these men...On One hand we had society saying treat women with respect, treat them as equals etc......but when these guys tried it, they failed miserably and saw the Chads who did the exact opposite be successful.....They then go on to see all these women portray themselves as queens in social media, which makes them have even more resentment.

Not all Incels are people who have no jobs or no prospects...Some do have decent jobs and do "try".
 
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Sounds like a BS excuse. Our secretary of Defense is an incel. Seems normal.
 
I feel like in the past this wasn't even a thing that was conceivable.

I also feel like 'incels' back in the day were just nerds. Nerds who contributed to the world through technology, science, math, etc. Nowadays we have a generation of pussy men who aren't smart, don't work and don't contribute to society. On top of that society constantly tells them they are the villains despite them having nothing going on in their lives. That is quite the recipe for nihilism and given enough nihilism and mental illness these things are starting to happen.

Now what is the solution? No idea, how do you fix broken people who wont seek help anyways?
 
I don’t buy that posthumous fame is that big of a motivator... after all, these kids are all atheistic nihilists... why should they care what other people think of them after that are dead?

You have the psychology wrong. You are right that these guys are generally atheistic nihilists, which means they are not worried about eternal reward and punishment.

They are also highly narcissistic and depressed. They view their fellow humans as beneath them and are frustrated that they don't have what they believe they deserve to have in life. They crave significance, as do almost all humans, and also want revenge on a world that they believe has wronged them. In addition they pay attention to what other mass shooters have done and want to top them.

In their delusional minds they will only lose a miserable life and gain the fame and impact on the world that they crave.

An open letter signed by 147 criminologists, sociologists, psychologists and other human-behavior experts asks that the media stop publishing the names and photographs of mass killers.

Research has found that fame is a major motivation for many mass shooters.

"They want to be celebrities," said Adam Lankford, one of the lead drafters of the letter and a criminologist at the University of Alabama. "We know that some of these offenders have said things like, 'The more you kill, the more you'll be known,' and 'Someone who is known by no one will be known by everyone.'"
Source
 
1. Back in the day Incels were the Uglies of the world, I mean 1 out of 10s of the world....and even then they could get with an ugly......People stayed in there leagues back then so...Average with Average, etc for the most part.....Not only that but back then, people actually talked with eachother.....Women talked with men, etc in towns....It felt much more as a community, thus a man could convince a women to be with them regardless of how good they looked.....

Other than School which is 100% Bullshit Hierarchy.....Guys don't have any other means to talk to women IRL, other than internet...What I mean by this, is that a Guy can't just go up to a chick at walmart and get to know her....I mean he can but he will be labeled a creep, sexual harraser etc .....Back in the day, in small towns, you would know plenty of girls and it was much more acceptable to talk to them....There was simply much more opportunities to talk to girls and it was ok.


Now a days...Incels are Average looking guys that act somewhat normal......Add in the fact that the Ugly/Average women can get laid with people out of their league thus it builds resentment.....add in that a lot of these guys are used to just interneting and staying home, and you could see how that could also fuck with their mind.


2. Our society is full of sex...Just see any tv show, and they will throw in a sex scene that makes ZERO sense.....Add in porn....add in that there is alot of sexual people now a days in social media, etc........Again, this creates resentment....Specially when you hear the SJW movement, being about equality and all this bullshit....Yet these Incels can't get laid, and alot of the women who deny them, consider themselves pro SJW.

3. First of all, I don't believe it's only a white male problem...This extends to Males overall....Society has confused a lot of these men...On One hand we had society saying treat women with respect, treat them as equals etc......but when these guys tried it, they failed miserably and saw the Chads who did the exact opposite be successful.....They then go on to see all these women portray themselves as queens in social media, which makes them have even more resentment.

Not all Incels are people who have no jobs or no prospects...Some do have decent jobs and do "try".

Love and happiness is not zero sum. There is someone out for everyone and as a society we should be trying to match people together. Men and women were meant to be together.

Too many times I see married men cock-blocking single guys, I see people kicking others when they are low calling them "hopeless" and "losers" as opposed to providing support and advice.

The community spirit is very low nowadays. You're right there. People used to match make, "oh, I know a nice girl, I can set you up with" ... I don't see it anymore.
 
Not true. Read the diaries of the Columbine killers.

Murderers are rational.. or at least they have rationales.

Most murderers can tell you very clearly WHY they have done what they have done, and they’re are perfectly justified in their own minds. If you accept their premises, their conclusions follow. So they are perfectly “rational;” it’s just that their values are perverted.

Except we don't accept their premises because we don't think it's okay to murder those who slight us.

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

No, they're not.

Their entire foundation is illogical. Ergo, it's not rational.
 
Beyond fame I suspect a big issue is views about feelings of power. The rising narsarcastic "alpha" culture the net is helping to spread where by personal power is viewed as the main purpose of life and sexual success is often viewed as a demonstration of this. In the mind of the killer I suspect the prime motivation is to glory in his power by his ability to end peoples lives against their will.
 
Is the media talking about "Incels" in the current news cycle or something? Lots of threads on Incels over the last little while.
 
Was the Canadian car attacker an actual incel? Honest question.

Aren't we basing that narrative to ONE facebook post that could easily be fake.

Not trying to derail or downplay. I've just been wondering if the whole media narrative about that guy really was based just based on that one facebook post.
 
I blame social media and internet porn. If your social life is online, you are seeing highly edited versions of people's lives around you that are carefully curated to create a facade of satisfaction, bliss, and security in work, socially, and in relationships. Couple that with the ubiquity of hardcore pornography which has gotten disturbingly violent and degrading (not just niche fetish stuff, either...look at how mainstream rough anal and face-fucking is nowadays), and despite anyone's best intents, you are going to get a gradually more twisted view of adult sexual relationships and social success. Although I engage in social media, I view it as a net negative for society because of the mental health issues it exacerbates. In summary, spending time online in social media is certainly going to cause one to feel inadequate socially, financially, and romantically, and combined with porn, it's going to drive the point home that women are wanton sex fiends who want to be violently fucked 24/7 by literally the closest man they can find (except for YOU!). Viewing these images and internalizing these messages for weeks, months, years on end for hours a day is going to mess people up.
 
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Apparently, in 2018, being an involuntarily celibate male is sufficient explanation for mass murder.

W... T... F...

1. There have always been involuntarily celibate males. They didn’t used to murder folks. What has changed?

2. This idea of an “incel” being a “problem” sort of presupposes the idea that extra marital sex is normal and good... I mean, it wasn’t that long ago that celibacy was the expected norm for unmarried people. Now it’s become a condition of sufficient pathology to justify murder? And are we really comfortable with the implication that teenage promiscuity is a GOOD thing— something that can prevent mass murder?

3. The whole incel idea seems to be the apogee of the “wronged white male” phenomenon that we see so commonly in internet discussion. These incels feel genuinely WRONGED that no women want to fuck them... despite the fact that they are, to all appearances, useless losers who have done NOTHING to make themselves suitable mates. How does this happen? How does a man lose perspective (or never have it) to this degree?

This whole incel this is like the inverted, cancerous image if the “safe space” phenomenon... How did men get so utterly fucked in the head?

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Because people like above found support groups online to groom them. r/incels got taken down but they've moved to a different subreddit and /pol/ is rife with the hardcore racist incels.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/technology/incels-reddit-banned.html
 
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