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We know for sure had Big Nog won against Mir , Fedor would have been in the UFC.
LOL @ idolizing other men and living voraciously through them. If you think a fighter losing has any affect of me personally then you're just projecting. Around the SF years, many Fedor fans personally told me that they were literally going through sorts of depressions because of Fedor's losses. Maybe that's your problem, and Fedor agrees with ME not you. He thinks the fan worship is highly creepy too and he definitely doesn't give a shit about these threads.
Just because fedor didn't look that good against good-decent opponents doesn't mean fedor was out of his primeHe was already looking so slow and lackluster while still winning against Hunt, Arlovski and Rogers.
The same way GSP didn't look his best versus Condit and Diaz. He had bad knees but luckily those guys had no takedown defense whatsoever so he was still able to beat them. By the time he ran into Hendricks, GSP was slowing down and Johny was on the way up.
GSP retired at 32 while Fedor started losing at 33. They both started at 23. It is crazy how people bash Fedor for continuing to fight but then praise GSP for quitting
He started 4-0 in America... Do you think people are as good at the end of their career as they are in the beginning and middle?Nope you are wrong, it is not easier. You try to say that shit everytime but FACTS are GSP has 18 top 5 wins while fedor does not even come close to that…4-4 on American soil under testing as well…
Imo, Werdum for sure beat a "in prime" Fedor, and Bigfoot as well...Fedor didn't take any damage from Werdum. I think by the Hendo fight he was a different fighter though, the Silva fight was fucking brutal. Not saying Fedor didn't have his moments in the Hendo fight, but...still think that's where he really started going down hill.
He started 4-0 in America... Do you think people are as good at the end of their career as they are in the beginning and middle?
If Nog, CC, Barnett and the UFC champ(Arlovski, Sylvia, Nog) were in the top 5 for an entire decade...how was Fedor supposed to keep racking up these "top 5" ranked wins?
It was absolutely easier to be ranked top 5 at WW than HW in the 2000s. You should know this. What year did you start watching MMA?
Fedor tried to fight Barnett but Barnett refused once and failed his drug test another time. UFC legally blocked Randy from fighting Fedor. UFC was too scared to give Fedor a one fight contract vs Brock.
Fedor isn't even my favorite fighter you weirdo. Check my post history, I've said a billion times that Shogun is and always will be my GOAT
Some sense and logic right here. Thank you!- He broke his hand repeatedly for several years starting in 2003. You can't punch, grapple or lift weights when your hand is always broken. Even his own teammates said Fedor could no longer use his hand for takedowns for a while there.
- He had already lost in Sambo before he lost in MMA
- he had 10 years of competing in MMA by 2010, on top of competing in Sambo concurrently and an entire judo career before all that
- he was obviously slower and smaller by the time he started losing.
- he had already looked slow and lackluster in some of his last wins like vs Hunt and Arlovski
- Werdum, Bigfoot and TRT Hendo were not chumps anyway. These are good fighters fighting a declined Fedor.
Why focus on his losses when he went 10 years undefeated and was the consensus #1 for 7 years? Only other person to stay on top that long was Jose Aldo and the same new fans are dragging his name through the mud now too. Everyone eventually loses if they fight long enough.
Fedor did not even lose until 33 years old.
Fedor and GSP both debuted at 23. GSP retired at 32 years old with 2 (or 3) losses after struggling with Hendricks. He only came back for one fight vs a 38 year old one eyed Bisping. Had GSP kept fighting all these years he would have eventually lost again just like Fedor and everyone else. Why is that so hard to understand for new fans?
IMO you should be able to tell pretty easily he wasnt in his prime against Rogers anymore, and that was before Werdum..
He started 4-0 in America... Do you think people are as good at the end of their career as they are in the beginning and middle?
If Nog, CC, Barnett and the UFC champ(Arlovski, Sylvia, Nog) were in the top 5 for an entire decade...how was Fedor supposed to keep racking up these "top 5" ranked wins?
It was absolutely easier to be ranked top 5 at WW than HW in the 2000s. You should know this. What year did you start watching MMA?
Fedor tried to fight Barnett but Barnett refused once and failed his drug test another time. UFC legally blocked Randy from fighting Fedor. UFC was too scared to give Fedor a one fight contract vs Brock.
This is the typical fedor fan delusion. Always something else or someone else's fault except his own.
GSP retired at 32 while Fedor started losing at 33. They both started at 23. It is crazy how people bash Fedor for continuing to fight but then praise GSP for quitting
It was obviously easier to be ranked in the WW top 5 than HW top 5 in the 2000s. You know how hard that was to unseat Nog, CC, Barnett, Sylvia in the top 5? They rarely lost and never twice in a row. Those guys boss hogged the top 5 for several years.
No excuses need to be made for Fedor.
No other HW went 10 years undefeated.
No other HW went 11 years without being KO'ed.
Only other fighters to be #1 at their weight for 7 years like Fedor were Anderson, GSP and Aldo and those are arguably the 4 GOATs
HW has only been trash for a few years. It was still a good division in 2013. It has really gone downhill the last few years.And ended his career 4-4 in America.
Never easier to be ranked at ww, throughout the years hw has been trash and everybody knows that.
It’s funny how I use FACTS to support my argument while you use opinion. #winning
You make a statement like "Shogun will always be my GOAT" and then call others weirdos? Nice self-awareness there kid.
They called Sylvia the best performance of his career. They claimed he didn't get hit once against Arlovski before knocking him out. Yet one fight later he's past his prime? Doesn't add up. Sorry, nobody outside your club is buying it. You don't go from "most elusive fighter in all of MMA!" to past prime the next fight which happened to be in a cage.
Fedor's shortcomings which were always there, simply became more apparent the moment he stepped outside the ring into the octagon.
HW has only been trash for a few years. It was still a good division in 2013. It has really gone downhill the last few years.
There were even Tournaments at Heavyweight to decisively decide things. Fedor and Nog met in the 2004 finals but Sergei gave Nog a very close fight in the semi-final. Cro Cop and Barnett reached the finals in 2006 but Nog beat Barnett a few months later.
Werdum/Sergei, Aleks/Sergei, Nog/Barnett 2x, CC/Nog...I could go on and on about all the really close competitive and epic HW fights of that era.
Nog, CC, Barnett, Arlovski and Sylvia were always top 5 and held that shit on lockdown, but all the other HWs ranked just below them gave them a lot of very competitive matches.
Totally different from UFC WW where Serra is given an instant title shot from winning TUF Comebacks and actually upsetting the champ GSP and making him tap to strikes.