there's no proof that fedor wasn't in his prime when he fought werdum,hendo and bigfoot

Readybodisready said:
Fedor is not even top 5 HW much less the GOAT. Werdum, Miocic, Cain, JDS and Overeem all surpassed him. They were all fighting and beating eachother while Fedor ducked them to fight the likes of Choi and Lindland instead. Oh wait he didn't duck all the best of Strikeforce, probably why he got brutally finished 3 times in a row.
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That is just nonsense. Lol. Cain who has beaten like 4 guys ever.

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Imo, Werdum for sure beat a "in prime" Fedor, and Bigfoot as well...Fedor didn't take any damage from Werdum. I think by the Hendo fight he was a different fighter though, the Silva fight was fucking brutal. Not saying Fedor didn't have his moments in the Hendo fight, but...still think that's where he really started going down hill.
 
Didn't know prime had anything to do with how you looked on the outside. Chuck Liddell came back absolutely shredded to fight Franklin and he still got ko'd by a shot that wouldn't have fazed him 6 years before that...

Franklin got ko'd by cung le in pretty great shape and

cung le got beaten to a pulp shredded as fuck by bisping.

Guess they were doing it wrong.
 
wilKO said:
That is just nonsense. Lol. Cain who has beaten like 4 guys ever.

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Readybodisready said:
Fedor actually LOST against Arona in 2000. Fedor is 1-3 against MW's. Sherdog's HW GOAT beat one MW(when he was supposedly #1 HW mind you) and lost to 3 other MW's.

Yes he was prime for 29 fights and all of a sudden boom, loses and is past his prime.
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A good way to get me to not read your insane posts is to start off with a factual blunder right off the bat

You succeeded. Congrats
 
There you have it! TS has posted three or four weigh in photos to back up his case, after all, looking at his physique is the best metic for discerning a fighters prime...

THE ONLY PROOF YOU NEED: Watch his fights, his skillset, how he moves and then use THAT, the best evidence available (his actual fights) to claim whether his prime extended into his final fights. He became a slugger relying on his KO power towards the end of his career vs. a Sambo first ground and pounder who always attacked his opponents weakness which was usually grappling. He was less athletic, less powerful, and didn't gameplan with the same need to NEVER lose. He made poor decisions towards the end of his career and stuck to effective safe gameplans during his prime.

Your argument shows you use superficial reasoning to make arguments that back up opinions you hold based on a complete lack of any actual knowledge of unarmed combat. Shut up and go listen to someone like Jack Slack and educate yourself.
 
HelloJapan said:
Imo, Werdum for sure beat a "in prime" Fedor, and Bigfoot as well...Fedor didn't take any damage from Werdum. I think by the Hendo fight he was a different fighter though, the Silva fight was fucking brutal. Not saying Fedor didn't have his moments in the Hendo fight, but...still think that's where he really started going down hill.
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His face was going down hill into the canvas when Hendo planted it there. He was still in his prime there.

He's only now past his prime. But IMO Maldonado would have beat down Fedor at any point in his career. 'Prime Fedor' was a second from getting knocked out by Fujita one of the worst strikers ever and why? Because Fedor was always a wild swinging head hunter. Maldonado would have countered him then as well.
 
Readybodisready said:
Of course Fedor was in his prime during his losing streak in SF. He was 33 in a career where he took less damage than any other top fighter in MMA(their words). It just shatters the image of Fedor that his rabid fans on sherdog have so they must claim he wasn't the same anymore.

Prime Fedor got finished 3 times in a row, one of them against an old MW. Not because he was past it, but because he stopped fighting the Choi's, Lindland's, washed up Sylvia's and glass chinned Arlovski's.
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LOL I bet you don't even get the irony of insisting Fedor must have still been in his prime when he fought them yet Sylvia and Arlovski were washed up and glass-chinned. :)
 
wilKO said:
Nope. Do you not wonder why all the fighters disagree with you?
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You might be assuming he's a rational person when in reality he's an Anderoid dickrider spiraling downward since Andy's recent run of legacy-destroying failures
 
Goober8008 said:
There you have it! TS has posted three or four weigh in photos to back up his case, after all, looking at his physique is the best metic for discerning a fighters prime...

THE ONLY PROOF YOU NEED: Watch his fights, his skillset, how he moves and then use THAT, the best evidence available (his actual fights) to claim whether his prime extended into his final fights. He became a slugger relying on his KO power towards the end of his career vs. a Sambo first ground and pounder who always attacked his opponents weakness which was usually grappling. He was less athletic, less powerful, and didn't gameplan with the same need to NEVER lose. He made poor decisions towards the end of his career and stuck to effective safe gameplans during his prime.

Your argument shows you use superficial reasoning to make arguments that back up opinions you hold based on a complete lack of any actual knowledge of unarmed combat. Shut up and go listen to someone like Jack Slack and educate yourself.
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Nope. He used the exact same strategy against Werdum that he succeeded against Nogueira with.

But attacking Werdum with GnP isn't the same as doing it to Nog is it? That man will wrap you into his world and finish you quick which is exactly what happened.

Fedor was dealing with one of the new breed of HW's. He ducked all the others(JDS, Cain, Reem etc.) who would have destroyed him too.
 
faustian said:
You might be assuming he's a rational person when in reality he's an Anderoid dickrider spiraling downward since Andy's recent run of legacy-destroying failures
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LOL @ idolizing other men and living voraciously through them. If you think a fighter losing has any affect of me personally then you're just projecting. Around the SF years, many Fedor fans personally told me that they were literally going through sorts of depressions because of Fedor's losses. Maybe that's your problem, and Fedor agrees with ME not you. He thinks the fan worship is highly creepy too and he definitely doesn't give a shit about these threads.
 
JBJISGOAT said:
Yet GSP has 18 top 5 wins while fedor doesn’t even have half of that.
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2 completely different divisions.

It was much easier to be ranked in the Welterweight top 5 during GSP's time than it was for Heavyweight top 5 during Fedor's reign.

Nog, Cro Cop, Barnett and the UFC champs usually rounded out the top 5 in the 2000s. It wasn't like WW where there was constantly a new guy in the top 5. Heavyweight had other consistent legends that would not allow just anybody into the top 10 let alone top 5.

Heavyweight had guys like Nog and CC chewing up contenders and holding their top 5 spots down.

Welterweight was a revolving door.
 
Fight Professor said:
Once you start losing you are out of your prime.
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I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not but that's pretty much the measuring stick for it.

Fedor was very well rounded and quick during his Pride run then slowed down and became a head-hunter who relied on his right hand later on.

He's a lot like Dan Henderson that way. Everyone always seemed shocked by how poor Hendo's wrestling looked in the last 8yrs or so of his career given his wrestling pedigree. People don't realize he hadn't really used his wrestling much since 2007-2008 when he fought and lost to both Rampage then Anderson Silva.
 
Readybodisready said:
His face was going down hill into the canvas when Hendo planted it there. He was still in his prime there.

He's only now past his prime. But IMO Maldonado would have beat down Fedor at any point in his career. 'Prime Fedor' was a second from getting knocked out by Fujita one of the worst strikers ever and why? Because Fedor was always a wild swinging head hunter. Maldonado would have countered him then as well.
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I don't think Fedor was really in his "prime" vs Hendo, mainly due to the beating from Bigfoot, my take anyways.
 
Typrune Goatley said:
2 completely different divisions.

It was much easier to be ranked in the Welterweight top 5 during GSP's time than it was for Heavyweight top 5 during Fedor's reign.

Nog, Cro Cop, Barnett and the UFC champs usually rounded out the top 5 in the 2000s. It wasn't like WW where there was constantly a new guy in the top 5. Heavyweight had other consistent legends that would not allow just anybody into the top 10 let alone top 5.

Heavyweight had guys like Nog and CC chewing up contenders and holding their top 5 spots down.

Welterweight was a revolving door.
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Nope you are wrong, it is not easier. You try to say that shit everytime but FACTS are GSP has 18 top 5 wins while fedor does not even come close to that…4-4 on American soil under testing as well…
 
Fight Professor said:
Once you start losing you are out of your prime.
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He was already looking so slow and lackluster while still winning against Hunt, Arlovski and Rogers.

The same way GSP didn't look his best versus Condit and Diaz. He had bad knees but luckily those guys had no takedown defense whatsoever so he was still able to beat them. By the time he ran into Hendricks, GSP was slowing down and Johny was on the way up.

GSP retired at 32 while Fedor started losing at 33. They both started at 23. It is crazy how people bash Fedor for continuing to fight but then praise GSP for quitting
 
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