The War Room Bet Thread V3

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waiguoren said:
1. Roger Stone will be indicted and convicted on at least one charge brought by Robert Mueller's team for Trump/Russia coordination/collusion/conspiracy.
2. @andnowweknow - for, @waiguoren- against
3. At the conclusion of Stone's trial, if it happens. If not, at the end of the Mueller investigation.
4. Sig bet
5. 10 months
6. The conviction needs to be for coordination/collusion/conspiracy between Trump/Russia. For example: treason, conspiracy to defraud the USA, or conspiracy to commit an offense against the USA by coordinating with the Russian state would all give the win to @andnowweknow. Tax fraud as in the Manafort case would not count. Perjury would not count. If Stone signs a plea agreement for any reason, the bet is a push.

@Lead, I agree to this.
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andnowweknow said:
Agreed. I'd like to know your thoughts on why you believe their wouldn't be a plea from this? Of course there will be. You've basically nullified the bet if he gets charged with a Russia related crime.
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waiguoren said:
@Lead
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Lead said:
I'm a little hesitant to confirm this yet. This was easier to call in the first iteration.
The issue I have is the terms of the conviction and if you both are truly aligned with what the statement above would be. Like is @andnowweknow saying if this bet had been made for Flyn or Manafort, he would've lost or at minimum, the bet would've been null? @andnowweknow , please give me an answer to that. Also, @waiguoren , tell me if you see it that way for those events too.
Secondly, do we always know publicly when someone signs a plea agreement? I get that is a smart place to stick a null bet because of how complicated it could get for either side and wouldn't adhere to the spirit of that bet. I just want to be sure we actually would know when something like that happens.
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andnowweknow said:
He knows if Stone is charged with something related to Russia he's obviously taking a plea bargain because his free life is over otherwise (outside a pardon which would end Trump's presidency for political reasons).

I'm fine with the bet, @waiguoren is just being a baby about the spirit of the bet (that Stone conspired against the US with Russia to help Trump) with the "how would we know what he had over him to plea out". Well, we'll know by what he was charged with, but they don't specifically say why he plead out, which is what my now eternal foe @waiguoren is hiding from.

I'm fine with the bet going null, which is inevitable...I'll have the internal satisfaction of victory.
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Lead said:
I'm saying if it goes to court though and he is convicted. Like say we had the same bet set up with Manafort and Flyn, what do you think the result of each bet was? If perjury is done and it relates to Russia, the way I read the bet above is waiguoren wins. Like I'm just trying to understand if you see the scope of what the conviction is.
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waiguoren said:
For Flynn, the bet would be a push because Flynn signed a plea agreement.

For Manafort, we don't know yet. If Manafort were convicted only on tax/bank charges and if no plea agreement were signed, I would win. If he were to sign a plea agreement for any reason, the bet would be a push.


It's a matter of public record.



Again, if he signs a plea agreement in that case, the bet is a push.
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Lead said:
Good, I think we are on the same page. I actually thought we would be but just wanted to check.
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waiguoren said:
Let's go
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Lead said:
@andnowweknow, could I get a reply to this
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andnowweknow said:
I'm fine with everything.
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It's official

@waiguoren v. @andnowweknow
1. Roger Stone will be indicted and convicted on at least one charge brought by Robert Mueller's team for Trump/Russia coordination/collusion/conspiracy.
2. andnowweknow[/USER] - for, @waiguoren- against
3. At the conclusion of Stone's trial, if it happens. If not, at the end of the Mueller investigation.
4. Sig bet
5. 10 months
6. The conviction needs to be for coordination/collusion/conspiracy between Trump/Russia. For example: treason, conspiracy to defraud the USA, or conspiracy to commit an offense against the USA by coordinating with the Russian state would all give the win to andnowweknow. Tax fraud as in the Manafort case would not count. Perjury would not count. If Stone signs a plea agreement for any reason, the bet is a push.

I also reserve the right to have you both add two mods to this to decide who won if it's contested. I feel uneasy about this one but you both keep saying okay so if it becomes contested, I'm washing my hands a bit bringing some others in to help.

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@JamesRussler

I know you have a sig bet with Homer for the mid-terms. Are you interested in doing another? I'd like something simple like us picking a line on the Senate or House.
 
Lead said:
@JamesRussler

I know you have a sig bet with Homer for the mid-terms. Are you interested in doing another? I'd like something simple like us picking a line on the Senate or House.
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I'm open to it.
How does this line picking stuff work? I think Republicans will pick up about 2 or 3 seats in the Senate, and probably lose 10-13 in the House.
 
JamesRussler said:
I'm open to it.
How does this line picking stuff work? I think Republicans will pick up about 2 or 3 seats in the Senate, and probably lose 10-13 in the House.
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I mean, it would just be us figuring out the over under we'd agree to a bet with.

Senate I was thinking close to that but at 55 (+4)
House seems like the easier deal to make with you. A line at Dem gain 14 or more seats sound decent?
 
Lead said:
I mean, it would just be us figuring out the over under we'd agree to a bet with.

Senate I was thinking close to that but at 55 (+4)
House seems like the easier deal to make with you. A line at Dem gain 14 or more seats sound decent?
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Deal! So what are we betting?
 
JamesRussler said:
Deal! So what are we betting?
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On which one? I still have to format it first for a final okay.
I was thinking the house bet (me- Dems gain 14 or more, you 13 or less). I don't really care if it's an av or sig bet. I'd do 1 or 2 months. I don't go crazy with the length on these.
 
Lead said:
On which one? I still have to format it first for a final okay.
I was thinking the house bet (me- Dems gain 14 or more, you 13 or less). I don't really care if it's an av or sig bet. I'd do 1 or 2 months. I don't go crazy with the length on these.
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House. Gonna have to be an av bet since I'm probably gonna lose my bet with Homer (I bet Republicans get 60 seats). Let's do 1 month.
 
JamesRussler said:
House. Gonna have to be an av bet since I'm probably gonna lose my bet with Homer (I bet Republicans get 60 seats). Let's do 1 month.
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Your bet with Homer involves the Senate and House if you forgot. Either way, I'm fine with a one month av bet as well.

1. The exact statement the bet is premised upon
2. Stance each poster is taking in regards to the statement
3. The date the bet will be decided
4. The reward/punishment for the winner/loser
5. The duration of the reward/punishment before I will post it.
6 (OPTIONAL) A situation which makes the bet void that isn't clear with the content in 1 & 2. This needs to be very clear if included.
Once, you both are in agreement, tag me so I can add it.
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@Lead v. @JamesRussler
1. Democrats will win 209 seats or more in the 2018 Midterm Election
2. Lead- for, JamesRussler- against
3. 11/07/2018 (tentative, races could take longer to call)
4. Avatar bet
5. 1 month
*Party seats are determined by who caucuses with a party if there are independent candidates that win.

I'm good with this
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waiguoren said:
@konagold

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I found out I can edit sigs. I'm adding this to @konagold 's sig since he hasn't logged in to do it himself
 
Lead said:
Your bet with Homer involves the Senate and House if you forgot. Either way, I'm fine with a one month av bet as well.



@Lead v. @JamesRussler
1. Democrats will win 209 seats or more in the 2018 Midterm Election
2. Lead- for, JamesRussler- against
3. 11/07/2018 (tentative, races could take longer to call)
4. Avatar bet
5. 1 month
*Party seats are determined by who caucuses with a party if there are independent candidates that win.

I'm good with this
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DEAL!

Actually I've forgotten what the terms of Homer's bet are. I'll go and revisit those. I think I just bet him Dems would fail at retaking the house, didn't I?
 
JamesRussler said:
DEAL!

Actually I've forgotten what the terms of Homer's bet are. I'll go and revisit those. I think I just bet him Dems would fail at retaking the house, didn't I?
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Just see the second or third post of this thread. I post all open and closed bets there.
 
Lead said:
Your bet with Homer involves the Senate and House if you forgot. Either way, I'm fine with a one month av bet as well.



@Lead v. @JamesRussler
1. Democrats will win 209 seats or more in the 2018 Midterm Election
2. Lead- for, JamesRussler- against
3. 11/07/2018 (tentative, races could take longer to call)
4. Avatar bet
5. 1 month
*Party seats are determined by who caucuses with a party if there are independent candidates that win.

I'm good with this
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JamesRussler said:
DEAL!

Actually I've forgotten what the terms of Homer's bet are. I'll go and revisit those. I think I just bet him Dems would fail at retaking the house, didn't I?
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It's official
 
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