The War Room Bet Thread V3

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  1. Lead

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    The Rules:
    -Since we have this thread now, keep bet discussions in here rather than other threads. It will prevent derailing the discussions there. If you organically come up with an idea in another thread, just move the conversation over to here with whomever it is with.

    -I will try to manage the OP with the current bets going on. You both must come to an agreement on:
    1. The exact statement the bet is premised upon
    2. Stance each poster is taking in regards to the statement
    3. The date the bet will be decided
    4. The reward/punishment for the winner/loser
    5. The duration of the reward/punishment before I will post it.
    6 (OPTIONAL) A situation which makes the bet void that isn't clear with the content in 1 & 2. This needs to be very clear if included.
    Once, you both are in agreement, tag me so I can add it.

    -Punishments are limited.
    No account/e-suicide bets as silencing part of the community isn't very WR like. This is suppose to be something fun but not fatal for our regulars here. Signature and av bets are fair game. The av/sig that will be given can be decided before or after the bet.

    -No cash bets. It can't be enforced and isn't something the site can or wants to host.

    -If there is a dispute over who won/lost the bet, you can choose a moderator to decide the result. The mod options will be Madmick, Zankou, and myself. If you both want a different moderator, each poster can decide a moderator they don't want to decide and the remaining of the three will make the call (yes, this sounds very detailed and overly complex but I'm sure this likely is going to occur and want to make it fair as possible. Eliminating one ensures both posters at least get their 2nd best choice.)

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    Same rules apply in this thread as any other thread in the War Room. No flaming other posters, etc.

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    Both posters involved in the bet must have either an account that's been around over 1 year or over 1000 posts. Exceptions can be given. If the volume of bets becomes frequent, I will limit the amount of pending bets per user. I don't expect this to happen.

    -Do not allude/mention bets in this thread that don't adhere to the rules above. For example, mentioning an account ban bet will just get the post deleted.

    -If a punishment doesn't begin at the start date in #5, the amount of time will remain paused until it begins. For example, if someone was suppose to change their Av on 1/1/16 for a one month avatar bet and they don't begin until 1/3/16, the loser must keep the av until 2/2/16.

    -Certain rules above can be suspended if approved at the time the bet is made. These rules would be the two bets at a time, post/join date requirement, and anything else that was made just to handle the flow of traffic with bets.

    If I'm missing something, I'll be sure to clarify it in the thread before editing the OP but I think this covers most of it.
    Have fun and stuff.

    Previous Threads

    The War Room Bet Thread

    The War Room Bet Thread v2 (10 bets)
     
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    Open Bets

    #16 @Lead v. @HUNTERMANIA
    1. Trump will be impeached during his first term as President
    2. HUNTERMANIA- for , Lead- against
    3. End of Trump's term or if he is impeached beforehand
    4. Signature bet
    5. 3 months
    6. If Trump is removed from office from illness, death, or assassination, the bet will be null

    #17 @waiguoren v. @rj144
    1. Trump will win the 2020 Presidential Election
    2. Waiguoren- for rj144- against
    3. 11/04/2020
    4. Signature bet
    5. 1 year
    6. Bet is null if Trump doesn't run in 2020 or pulls out of race regardless of the reason why

    #21. @HomerThompson v @oleDirtyBast4rd
    1. Trump is removed from office on or before December 31st, 2019
    2. HomerThompson- for, oleDirtyBast4rd- against
    3. 01/01/2020
    4. Signature bet
    5. 1 year
    6. Death and physical illness would result in a null bet. Mental illness and subsequent removal would count.

    #24. @HomerThompson v @Lead
    1. Trump is removed from office on or before December 31st, 2019
    2. HomerThompson- for, Lead- against
    3. 01/01/2020
    4. Avatar bet
    5. 1 month
    6. Death and physical illness would result in a null bet. Mental illness and subsequent removal would count.

    #25. @waiguoren v @HomerThompson
    1. Trump is removed from office on or before December 31st, 2019
    2. HomerThompson- for, @waiguoren- against
    3. 01/01/2020
    4. Sig bet
    5. 6 months
    6. Death and physical illness would result in a null bet. Mental illness and subsequent removal would count.

    #26. @HereticBD v. @VivaRevolution
    1. Bernie Sanders will win the 2020 Presidential Election
    2. VivaRevolution- for, HereticBD- against
    3. 11/04/2020
    4. Avatar & Signature bet
    5. HereticBD win=Viva's Av/Sig for 1 month; Viva win= HereticBD Av/Sig for 1 year

    #28. @HomerThompson v. @IGIT
    1. Within 18 months of Trump's new justice being appointed, the supreme court will allow individual states to outlaw abortion.
    2. HomerThompson - For, IGIT - Against
    3. Tentatively 18 months once the Trump justice is confirmed (will updated when this happens)
    4. Signature bet
    5. 2 months
    6. If Trump isn't able to get an appointee confirmed, the bet is null

    #29. @waiguoren v. @PolishHeadlock
    1. The Mueller investigation will indict Trump and accuse Trump of committing a crime to EITHER
    a) cooperate with / help Russia carry out the DNC/DCCC/Clinton office hack
    OR
    b) offer Russia concessions (policy, money, etc) in exchange for the fruits of one of the hacks above
    2. PolishHeadlock- for, waiguoren- against
    3. When the Mueller investigation concludes
    4. Avatar and Signature bet
    5. 5 years
    6. Null if Mueller is fired or Trump unexpectedly passes
    *Lead, Zankou, and panamaican will make the call on the bet when the investigation concludes.

    #30. @Jack V Savage v. @SBJJ
    1. Commerce Department's second estimate for 2018 Real GDP growth will be 2.90% or lower
    2. Jack V- For, SBJJ- Against
    3. Tentatively end of February 2019 (Will update once scheduled on BEA website)
    4. Signature bet
    5. 3 months
    6. We will be able to pull the result from here: https://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/news_release_sort_national.htm

    #31. @waiguoren v. @andnowweknow
    1. Roger Stone will be indicted and convicted on at least one charge brought by Robert Mueller's team for Trump/Russia coordination/collusion/conspiracy.
    2. andnowweknow[/USER] - for, @waiguoren- against
    3. At the conclusion of Stone's trial, if it happens. If not, at the end of the Mueller investigation.
    4. Sig bet
    5. 10 months
    6. The conviction needs to be for coordination/collusion/conspiracy between Trump/Russia. For example: treason, conspiracy to defraud the USA, or conspiracy to commit an offense against the USA by coordinating with the Russian state would all give the win to andnowweknow. Tax fraud as in the Manafort case would not count. Perjury would not count. If Stone signs a plea agreement for any reason, the bet is a push.
    *Lead also reserves the right to have participates add two additional mods to decide who won if it's contested.

    #33. @44nutman v. @HereticBD
    1. Trump being charged with Money Laundering by Jan 1st, 2019
    2. @44nutman for, @HereticBD against
    3. 01/01/2019
    4. Avatar bet
    5. 1 month

    #34. @VivaRevolution v. @Rob Battisti
    1. Trump will win the 2020 presidential election
    2. Rob Battisti- For, VivaRevolution- against
    3. 11/7/2020 (tentatively)
    4. Avatar bet
    5. 3 months

    #35. @waiguoren v. @Pelosi2016
    1. Either Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders will declare a candidacy for president for the 2020 US presidential election.
    2. waiguoren for; Pelosi2016 against
    3. Election day 2020, or whenever one of Sanders/Biden files the requisite paperwork (whichever occurs first)
    4. Name bet
    5. 1 year

    #36. @waiguoren v. @Trotsky
    1. Michael Avenatti or Cory Booker will be the 2020 Democratic nominee for president.
    2. waiguoren: Avenatti, Trotsky: Cory Booker
    3. The day of the 2020 Democratic National Convention
    4. Name bet
    5. 1 year
    6. If neither man is the 2020 Democratic nominee for president, the bet is a push.


    Current Records (Between Rankings and not in specific order)
    Jack V Savage 5-0
    Hans Gruber 2-0
    Tropodan 1-0
    Space 1-0
    Rex Kwon Do 1-0
    Waiguoren 4-1
    HomerThompson 2-0
    Quipling 1-1
    Lead 2-2
    SBJJ 1-0


    Closed Bets

    #10 @VivaRevolution v. @Jack V Savage
    1. Trump will be at 33% or more with Bovada's betting odds
    2. VivaRevolution- For, Jack V Savage- Against
    3. 11/07/16 8:00PM ESt
    4. Signature bet
    5. 11/08/16-12/07/16
    *I will use this site to convert the betting odds to percentages http://sportsbettingsites.org/betting-tools/no-vig-calculator/'
    Winner: Jack V Savage

    #1 @Fawlty v. @Tropodan (Onesided)
    1. Donald Trump wins general election
    2. Tropodan, for. Fawlty, against.
    3. 11/08/2016
    4. If Trump wins the general election, Fawlty wears av of Tropodan's choosing. Freeroll (no punishment if Tropodan loses).
    5. 11/08/2016-01/20/2017
    Winner: Tropodan

    #4 @Space v. @Lead
    1. Donald Trump wins the general election
    2. Space- for, Lead- against
    3. 11/08/2016
    4. Signature bet- winner picks losers signature
    5. 11/08/2016-01/20/2017 (Election day to Inauguration day)
    Winner: Space

    #7 @Quipling v. @Rex Kwon Do
    1. Winner of the U.S. Presidential Election
    2. Quipling : Hillary - Rex :Trump
    3. 11/08/16
    4. Av Bet- Loser of the bet changes his av to a suitably presidential picture of the winning candidate
    5.11/09/16- 12/09/16
    Winner: Rex Kwon Do

    #9 @m52nickerson v @Hans Gruber
    1. The winner of Florida's 29 electoral votes.
    2. @m52nickerson - Clinton will win, @Hans Gruber - Trump will win.
    3. 11/08/16 (tentatively)
    Winner: Hans Gruber

    #12 @Limbo Pete v. @Lead
    1. Who wins Nevada and Colorado in the 2016 Presidential Election
    2. Limbo Pete- Nevada Trump/ Colorado Clinton, Lead- Colorado Trump / Nevada Clinton
    3. 11/09/2016
    4. Signature bet
    5. 01/21/2017-02/21/2017
    6. Obviously if both states go Clinton or Trump, the bet is null
    Null

    #13 @Hans Gruber v. @Lead
    1. Trump will win Wisconsin, Michigan, or Pennsylvania in the 2016 Presidential election
    2. Hans - For, Lead- Against
    3. 11/09/2016
    4. Avatar bet
    5. 11/9/2016-12/9/2016
    Winner: Hans Gruber

    #14 @BKMMAFAN v. @Amerikuracana
    1. Who wins Michigan in the 2016 Presidential Election?
    2. BKMMAFAN- Clinton, Amerikuracana- Trump
    3. 11/8/16 (tentatively)
    4. Signature and Avatar Bet
    5. 3 months, likely 11/09/16-2/09/16
    Winner: Amerikuracana

    #2 @waiguoren v. @m52nickerson
    1. Compare total discrepancies over four swing states (Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina)
    [​IMG]
    where each i indexes one of the states, the p's are the predicted Clinton lead in each state and the a's are the actual Clinton lead in each state.
    2. Whoever (Waiguoren using his prediction posted before noon on election day or m52nickeson with fivethirtyeight projected vote share polls plus for his prediction election day) has the smaller sum (using the equation above) wins.
    3. 11/08/2016 (Election day) or slightly after depending on results coming in
    4. Signature bet- winner picks losers signature
    5. 11/08/2016 (expected based on #3) to 01/20/2016
    Winner: Waiguoren

    #5 @Concurrent GOAT v. @Rex Kwon Do
    1. Percent Margin Donald Trump beats Clinton by in US Pres. election popular vote
    2. Concurrent GOAT 0.1% to 2.0% Rex Kwon Doh 2.0%+
    3. 11/08/16
    4. Avatar bet- Winner picks the losers av
    5. 11/09/16-12/08/16 (Depends when the results are completely in)
    Null

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    #6 @KnightTemplar v. @Rex Kwon Do
    1. Percent Margin Donald Trump beats Clinton by in the US Pres. election popular vote
    2. @KnightTemplar 0.1% to 2.0% @Rex Kwon Do 2.0%+
    3. 11/08/16
    4. Signature bet- Winner picks the loser's signature; signature chosen must be quote praising Adolf Hitler, Fuhrer of Germany OR a quote by Adolf Hitler himself
    5. 11/09/16-12/08/16 (Depends when the results are completely in)
    Null

    #8 @waiguoren v. @cooks1
    1. National Popular vote margin with Clinton/Trump will be b>
    2. Waiguoren- For Cooks1- Against
    3. 1/21/16 (Day after inauguration day)
    4. Signature Bet
    5. 01/21/16 to next US Presidential election day
    6. If Clinton simultaneously wins the popular vote by over 6.4%, but loses on the electoral map and Trump is elected on that basis, the bet will be void, as Hillary did get over 6.4% of the popular vote, but she did not win by 6.4% of the popular vote
    Winner: Waiguoren

    #11 @Jack V Savage v. @LucasWithLidOff
    1. Hillary Clinton will be indicted by 12/28/2016
    2. LucasWithLidOff- For, Jack V Savage- Against
    3. 12/29/16
    4. Avatar Bet
    5. Permanent
    Winner: Jack V Savage

    #3 @Jack V Savage v. @mcveteran81
    1. Obama will still be president a week after the scheduled inauguration date due to declaring a state of emergency
    2. mcveteran- True Jack V Savage- False
    3. 1/27/2017 (week after scheduled inauguration day)
    4. Signature bet- Winner picks the loser's signature
    5. 1/28/2017-2/27/2017
    Winner: Jack V Savage

    #18 @SidJustice v. @waiguoren
    1. Neil Gorsuch will not be confirmed to the Supreme Court on or before 4/7/2017
    2. SidJustice: Agree/ waiguoren: Disagree
    3. 4/8/2017
    4. Signature bet
    5. 1 year
    Winnner: Waiguoren

    #15 @Jack V Savage vs. @drstrangelov
    1. Trump's favorability rating Real Clear Politics average is 51.8 before Labor Day
    2. drstanglov- For, Jack V Savage- against
    3. 09/04/2017 (Labor Day)
    4. Hybrid- Jack's avatar or Drstranglovs sig
    5. 1 month (tentatively 09/04/17-10/03/17)
    6. Attempted or successful assassination of Trump or attack by foreign government or there is pending or concluded vote on authorization for military action before his rating goes up, the bet is null
    Winner: Jack V Savage

    #20. @Fawlty v. @HomerThompson
    1. Flynn, Stone, Manafort, Page, Kushner, Don Jr, Eric, President Trump, Ivanka, Sessions, DeVos, Preibus, Ryan, Pruitt, Pompeo, Bannon, or Perry will be formally criminally indicted by 23:59 EST 15 June 2018
    2. @HomerThompson- 2 or more indicted, @Fawlty- 1 will be indicted, Tie- 0 are indicted
    3. 06/15/18
    4. Signature bet
    5. 3 months
    Winner: HomerThompson

    #22. @Quipling v. @N13
    1. Moore or Jones will be sworn in as Senator
    2. Quipling- Jones, @N13- Moore
    3. When either person is sworn in as Senator
    4. Avatar bet
    5. 1 month
    Winner: Quipling

    #23. @Lead v. @N13
    1. Moore or Jones will be sworn in as Senator
    2. @Lead- Jones, @N13- Moore
    3. When either person is sworn in as Senator
    4. Avatar bet
    5. 1 month
    Winner: Lead

    #19. @waiguoren v. @konagold
    1. President Donald Trump resigns or is impeached on or before June 2, 2018
    2. @konagold - for @waiguoren- against
    3. 06/09/2018
    4. Signature bet
    5. 1 year (est 6/9/18-6/8/19)
    Winner: Waiguoren
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    #32. @Lead v. @JamesRussler
    1. Democrats will win 209 seats or more in the 2018 Midterm Election
    2. Lead- for, JamesRussler- against
    3. 11/07/2018 (tentative, races could take longer to call)
    4. Avatar bet
    5. 1 month
    *Party seats are determined by who caucuses with a party if there are independent candidates that win.

    Winner: Lead

    #27. @HomerThompson v. @JamesRussler
    1 & 2. 2018 Midterm Election results- James wins if (1) Republicans retain at least 218 seats in the House and (2) gain net 9 seats in the Senate (i.e. 60 seats total). Homer wins if (1) Democrats reach 218 seats or more in the House and (2) lose under 8 seats in the Senate.
    3. 11/07/2018 (tentative, races could take longer to call)
    4. Signature bet
    5. 2 months (tentatively 11/07/18-01/06/19)
    6. In the situation, neither of the two events happen, the bet is null
    Winner: HomerThompson


    #38. @SBJJ v. @GOATER
    1. Beto O'Rourke wins Texas in the 2018 midterms
    2. GOATER- for, SBJJ- against
    3. 11/07/2018 (tentatively)
    4. Signature bet
    5. 6 months
    Winner: SBJJ

    #37. @waiguoren v. @Jack V Savage
    1. Democrat Katie Hill will defeat Republican Steve Knight in the 2018 House of Representatives race for California's 25th Congressional district.
    2. Jack V Savage for, waiguoren against
    3. When the California Secretary of State certifies the results of the 2018 Congressional elections.
    4. Sig bet
    5. 3 months
    Winner: Jack V Savage
     
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    Lead /Led/ Staff Member Senior Moderator Platinum Member

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    A reminder on how the rankings play out:
    -The type of bet is factored in value (Name Change, then Av, then Sig)
    -Duration of the reward/punishment is factored
    -It didn't factor in a lot with the first 2 rounds of rankings but eventually wins against ranked posters will matter more
    -As time/bets go on, previous bets become less important to a posters ranking. This means with enough inactivity, you could drop down in rank or fall off entirely
     
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    Seems pretty subjective. How much credit am I being given for the 4-year sig bet that I won?



    Do you have a formula you're going to follow for these two?
     
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    Lead /Led/ Staff Member Senior Moderator Platinum Member

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    If I look at you and Jacks score, they are like a mile from 3rd and after. You received a lot for the 4 year sig bet. Keep in mind Jack did a permanent av bet with someone which technically is an unlimited amount of time but had to be capped somehow which I admit took some subjectively as I didn't foresee the idea of a permanent bet beforehand. That bet is really the difference of who came out first and second currently.

    Yes, there's a formula to ranked opponents that will be tiered between the champ, top 1-5 and top 6-10. This only applies to a win against a ranked opponent and not a loss. This will incentivize people to try to make bets with already ranked people without penalizing them for taking the bet.
     
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    waiguoren Silver Belt

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    I assume you're assigning points to each player based on some formula. Can you post a link to the formula, or is it private?
     
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    Lead /Led/ Staff Member Senior Moderator Platinum Member

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    I can expand on what I previously mentioned and just show the formula when I'm at my desktop but pretty much it's just number of months times bet type (name change=3, av=2, sig=1). The first ten bets had a fraction (.8) applied to them and each new ranking will continue to decline (.6, .4, .2, 0). That's all that is really playing into the rankings at this point for you and jack since neither of you have loses.
     
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    Lead /Led/ Staff Member Senior Moderator Platinum Member

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    Also, defenses will be any bets won during the period the post was ranked as champ. Just added that as incentive for the top person to accept bets with other posters. Keep in mind, if they were to just not make bets, they would decline as more rankings came out.
     
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    @konagold

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    @Jack V Savage

    1. Trump will not lose the 2020 Republican primary contest.
    2. Trump will not be indicted for any crimes while in office.
    3. Robert Mueller's investigation will not conclude that Trump attempted to offer US policy concessions to Russia in exchange for access to the hacked DNC e-mails.
    4. Cory Booker will not be the Democratic nominee in 2020.
    5. The Republicans will hold the Senate in the 2018 election.
    6. Trump will not be removed from office via political means (e.g., 25th Amendment, impeachment+removal)
    7. During the Democratic primary race for the 2020 US presidential election, one of Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Martin O'Malley or Bernie Sanders or their respective presidential campaigns will criticize Kirsten Gillibrand publicly for her past positions on illegal immigration.
    I'll bet you that all of these predictions come true. In?
     
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    @Lead

    @konagold has not logged in for almost eight months. Is there anything that can be done?
     
  13. Jack V Savage

    Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog

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    I think 7 needs some clarity, but I don't expect any problems there (that is, I think we can provide that clarity without issue), and I'm good with the bet once that is taken care of.
     
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    waiguoren Silver Belt

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    What's unclear about 7? But since you brought it up, I'd like to change it from "one of Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Martin O'Malley or Bernie Sanders or their respective presidential campaigns" ----> "one of the other Democratic contenders or his/her presidential campaign"

    For 2): I don't want to wait seven years for the bet to settle. Maybe we can change it to "during the course of the Mueller investigation"

    For 3: I can foresee a situation in which we disagree on whether this happens. Let's tighten it up for clarity.

    Everything else looks good.
     
  15. Jack V Savage

    Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog

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    I don't want to wait that long either. What if we swapped Trump winning in 2020 for 1,2, and 6? Just a suggestion. I'm fine with you broadening 7, but what do you mean by her past position on illegal immigration? Obviously opposition to illegal immigration is still a universally held view in American politics.

    For 3, I read you as saying that the finding would be a specific concession, which I think is good from your perspective (so it requires something like, "in the sixth, my ass goes down," rather than a more general, "Are you my n___?" "It certainly appears so.").
     
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    1. Republicans will get to 60 in the Senate after elections(JamesRussler for, HomerThompson against).
    2. Democrats will win back the House of Representatives(HomerThompson for, JamesRussler against).
    3. Both predictions must come true for the winner. Dems must win back House and Republicans stay below 60 seats in the Senate and I win, Dems fail to win back House and Reoublicans get to 60 in the Senate and James wins.

    4. 1 month signature bet

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    2 months for the sig bet.

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    I'm not betting that Republicans get 60 seats. I'm betting that they gain seats.
     
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    That's bullshit man. We already went through this in the thread you made. Don't pussy out now.
     
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    No, read it again. I never said "Republicans will get 60 seats," I merely pointed out that it's possible. I don't know how many times I need to repeat myself on that.

    I'll wager they gain at least 2 seats though, ok? That would put Republicans at 53 seats. How's that?
     

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