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Harvard’s Admissions Process, Once Secret, Is Unveiled in Affirmative Action Trial
By Anemona Hartocollis | Oct. 19, 2018
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A trial examining whether Harvard University discriminates against Asian-American applicants has revealed a number of secrets about its admissions process.

The deliberations that take place inside 86 Brattle Street, a red brick building where Harvard University’s admissions committee convenes, have very much stayed inside 86 Brattle Street.

Until now.

A federal trial that began this week accusing Harvard of stacking the deck against Asian-American applicants is providing a rare glimpse into the secretive selection process at one of the country’s most elite universities. It is as if those sitting on the wood benches before Judge Allison D. Burroughs of Federal District Court in Boston have been invited inside the inner sanctum of the Harvard Office of Admissions and Financial Aid.

Grades, test scores, intended major, personality ratings, ethnicity — all the various factors that can help turn an anonymous high school student into a Harvard man or Harvard woman are being dissected for all to see.

College-prep professionals and guidance counselors around the world are following the case, a veritable gold mine of insider information.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/19/us/harvard-admissions-affirmative-action.html
 
"Harvard consistently rated Asian-American applicants lower than others on traits like “positive personality,” likability, courage, kindness and being “widely respected,” according to an analysis of more than 160,000 student records filed Friday by a group representing Asian-American students in a lawsuit against the university."


lol just lol

unbelievable
asians and personality analysis is a set up for failure
 
This just in: Asians over specialize in academic fields and complain when denied admission to elite colleges looking for well rounded students. This has been a news flash from EVERY YEAR SINCE THE 80's!.
 
This just in: Asians over specialize in academic fields and complain when denied admission to elite colleges looking for well rounded students. This has been a news flash from EVERY YEAR SINCE THE 80's!.

Giving Asian students a lower personality score without even interviewing them = colleges looking for "well rounded" students to you?

Glad to see that racism against Asians is A-OK USA!
 
Giving Asian students a lower personality score without even interviewing them = colleges looking for "well rounded" students to you?

Glad to see that racism against Asians is A-OK USA!
you dont have to meet someone to know whether they are well rounded or not. Their extra-curriculars will tell you that and the articles above directly state that they have lower rates of extra-curricular activity.
Jim Wong with a perfect SAT score and home schooled Violin lessons will almost always lose out to
Jim Patterson with upper percentile SAT score, Football and wrestling accolades and a reference from his Church pastor and his after school jobs employer.

Im not just ASSUMING these asian kids arent going that extra-mile. The article tells you straight up that they crush everyone academically but have next to nothing else to distinguish themselves in a sea of other perfect SAT scoring robots. The paragraph about how 'if schools recruited solely on academic merit' is worthless because no school recruits that way. You might as well say if Harvard recruited solely on students Basketball ability, the freshman class would be 50% african-american. Its JUST as retarded.
 
The ACLU weighs in on the lawsuit:



I find this pretty remarkable, and the language they use is rather telling. They're literally saying here that the need to punish whites for the colour of their skin is so urgent that Asian-americans are acceptable collateral damage. They could have said something like "will harm black students if successful" but they know that doesn't quite trigger the emotional response they're looking for with their targeted demographic. The main narrative via media and academia over the last several years hasn't been about lifting minorities up but rather cutting white people down. Sad to see a group that is purportedly about protecting civil rights to use such rhetoric.
 
Clearly, this is the most pressing issue facing mankind, and the only logical response is to elect politicians who deny climate change is a man made phenomenon want to and end Social Security.

I imagine an Asain-American might think it's better than electing someone that will push quotas for the sake of diversity at the expense of their child.
 
The ACLU weighs in on the lawsuit:



I find this pretty remarkable, and the language they use is rather telling. They're literally saying here that the need to punish whites for the colour of their skin is so urgent that Asian-americans are acceptable collateral damage. They could have said something like "will harm black students if successful" but they know that doesn't quite trigger the emotional response they're looking for with their targeted demographic. The main narrative via media and academia over the last several years hasn't been about lifting minorities up but rather cutting white people down. Sad to see a group that is purportedly about protecting civil rights to use such rhetoric.


At this point the anti-white fifth column has gotten powerful enough to just overtly state their motives.
 
The ACLU weighs in on the lawsuit:



I find this pretty remarkable, and the language they use is rather telling. They're literally saying here that the need to punish whites for the colour of their skin is so urgent that Asian-americans are acceptable collateral damage. They could have said something like "will harm black students if successful" but they know that doesn't quite trigger the emotional response they're looking for with their targeted demographic. The main narrative via media and academia over the last several years hasn't been about lifting minorities up but rather cutting white people down. Sad to see a group that is purportedly about protecting civil rights to use such rhetoric.


That's kind of missing the point though. The allegation coming forward is that great Asian Americans students are being harmed to benefit mediocre black students. Obviously, black students would be harmed if it's successful. That is the goal - to reduce the number of allegedly under-qualified black students so that more Asian Americans can gain admission.

The outcome of reduced black student admittees is the intended goal. So, the ACLU is providing useful information - that the result of reducing the black students will not be an increase in Asian American students, as believed, but an increase in white students.

No one is in the slightest bit discussing whether or not black students will the harmed. Everyone already agrees they will be, regardless of who ultimately benefits from their reduced presence.
 
you dont have to meet someone to know whether they are well rounded or not. Their extra-curriculars will tell you that and the articles above directly state that they have lower rates of extra-curricular activity.
Jim Wong with a perfect SAT score and home schooled Violin lessons will almost always lose out to
Jim Patterson with upper percentile SAT score, Football and wrestling accolades and a reference from his Church pastor and his after school jobs employer.

Im not just ASSUMING these asian kids arent going that extra-mile. The article tells you straight up that they crush everyone academically but have next to nothing else to distinguish themselves in a sea of other perfect SAT scoring robots. The paragraph about how 'if schools recruited solely on academic merit' is worthless because no school recruits that way. You might as well say if Harvard recruited solely on students Basketball ability, the freshman class would be 50% african-american. Its JUST as retarded.

Asians score high on extra cirriculars you moron. This is just straight racism.

The problem is that your shitty western edgelord cultures version of 'personality' is a bunch of whiteboys sucking each other off at a frat party.

I personally know several asians that excelled in all areas including sports but were denied entry into ivy league schools. I guess this is what white privilege really is since whites still benefit from affirmative action.

Meritocracy my ass.
 
Bottom line: Affirmative action is institutionalized racism, made by whites for whites and to the detriment of one particular group: asians.

Old rich white men made it so that their daughters can go to that ivy league school over Jimmy Chang the chinaman who is 100x more qualified.

Asian privilege is a myth, EAST Asians as a group have lower average income than: European Americans, Arab/ME Americans, South Asians, Southeast Asians and White Americans.

Asians just need to move back to Asia, I've made the decision to make the move myself and encourage other Asian westerners to do the same. Then we should do the same to them as they did to us, shut them out. No more english teaching jobs, no more preferential treatment and social ostracization.

Getting sick of you fuckers.
 
Asians score high on extra cirriculars you moron. This is just straight racism.

The problem is that your shitty western edgelord cultures version of 'personality' is a bunch of whiteboys sucking each other off at a frat party.

I personally know several asians that excelled in all areas including sports but were denied entry into ivy league schools. I guess this is what white privilege really is since whites still benefit from affirmative action.

Meritocracy my ass.
Bullshit. They score high on the extracurriculars nobody gives a shit about.
The most popular EC a male student in the US can have on his application is lettering in a Varsity athletic. You're talking about a bunch of Hyper competitive Division 1 schools.
You honestly think Harvard wants to fill up a freshman class with a bunch of perfect SAT scoring math bowl contestants at the expense of a bunch of trust fund jock legacies? REALLY? Read the frickin review data. Asians dont have any footprint in the extra curriculars that Harvard in particular considers noteworthy in their admissions standard. Everyone gets to eat a big shit pie in this country when it comes to white priviledge. Sorry you though being exceptionally dominant in academics was a buy.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/20/politics/harvard-admissions-affirmative-action-trial-money/index.html

As a trial over alleged discrimination against Asian-Americans in Harvard admissions finishes its first week, one thing has become clear: there are ways to win a place at the Ivy League campus that fields a surplus of applicants with perfect grades and test scores.

Family wealth and connections to the school; athletic superiority; and an African-American or Latino background all significantly enhance an applicant's chances. In some instances, students whose families pledged over millions of dollars to fund a building or endow professorships got an advantage, emails show.
But then coming from a household with an income of less than $60,000 or having a migrant parent can also provide a boost. And while gender does not make a difference, knowing Latin and Greek and showing an interest in the humanities might catch an admission officer's eye.


Harvard trial opens with challenge to recruitment practices

Those various factors may be self-evident, but testimony in the Boston courtroom of US District Judge Allison Burroughs this week has offered a rare and detailed view into the secretive screening process at a university that receives 40,000 applications annually and finishes with a freshman class of 1,660 students.
The case, continuing on Friday and expected to run through the end of the month, was brought by conservative activists who created a group named Students for Fair Admissions and who argue that Harvard disfavors high-achieving Asian-Americans and gives a boost to African-American, Hispanic and other traditional beneficiaries of affirmative action.
Dean of Admissions William Fitzsimmons was on the stand for four days, providing on Thursday perhaps his most robust defense of the week to assertions that Harvard is biased against Asian-American applicants.
Under questioning from Harvard's lawyer, Fitzsimmons said there are "never" quotas on Asian-Americans, "never" floors for the number of black or Hispanic students, and no attempts to ensure consistent numbers of admissions among racial groups.
"We certainly do everything in our power to treat every applicant completely and fairly," said Fitzsimmons, who joined the office 46 years ago and has been admissions dean since 1986.
Referring to the evolution in screening for diversity over the decades, Fitzsimmons said Harvard has become "a profoundly better place -- just in terms of what the students learn from each other, what the faculty and those of us who work at Harvard learn from the astonishingly diverse classes we have today."
The trial has drawn overflow crowds and intense media attention, yet both sides, as well as Judge Burroughs, have said they expect the dispute and future of racial affirmative action to be settled at the Supreme Court. Any such ruling from the nine justices is at least a year away, and with the bench becoming increasingly conservative, including in this month's addition of Justice Brett Kavanaugh, the odds of a decision for the challengers are rising.
The case was engineered by activist Edward Blum, who in the past has used white plaintiffs to challenge racial policies, and whose overall goal is to win reversal of a 1978 Supreme Court decision that first endorsed the use race in admissions to ensure campus diversity. Students for Fair Admissions, now backed by the Trump administration, filed the case under Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which bars racial discrimination at private institutions that receive federal funds.
Benefits of big-donor legacies
Lawyers for the challengers have elicited testimony about practices that they argue appear to diminish the chances for Asian-Americans, particularly with the use of an open-ended "personal" trait category on which Asian-Americans score disproportionately low compared to their academic and extracurricular category rating.
They have also shone a light on age-old preferences for the children of wealthy donors and legacy students.
"s admitting the children and relatives of large donors important to you and others at Harvard?" SFFA lawyer John Hughes asked Fitzsimmons after he acknowledged maintaining a dean's list of the children of big donors who apply.
"It is important for the long-term strength of the institution that we have the resources ... we need to, among other things, provide scholarships," Fitzsimmons said, "but also for all the other purposes at the university."
One email that Fitzsimmons received in June 2013 from the dean of Harvard's Kennedy School dubbed him "my hero" and expressing gratitude for the admission of the children of significant donors.
"Once again you have done wonders. I am simply thrilled about all the folks you were able to admit," then-Dean David Ellwood wrote, noting that the family had promised to pay for a building.
In another email introduced at the trial, a former tennis coach in 2014 thanked Fitzsimmons for meeting with a student whose family has donated money to finance "two full professorships" and given $1.1 million over four years. Fitzsimmons responded that the student was being considered for a "likely" letter, which the dean said, "is given when we have an applicant who is being pressured by another institution to commit to that institution."
Test scores, Greek and money
Fitzsimmons testified that Harvard, in its quest for broader diversity, takes steps to boost the chances of African-Americans and Latino students, beginning with recruitment letters when their standardized test scores are in a middle range, rather than at higher ranges as required for white and Asian-American high schoolers to receive recruitment letters.
He said the decision is based partly on economic assumptions. "It really comes down to the economic disadvantage associated ... with both of those ethnic groups," Fitzsimmons said at one point, referring to blacks and Hispanics. "These are students who have less of an opportunity, on average at least, to prepare well and to do well on standardized testing because of the lack of opportunity often in their schools and their communities.
In a similar vein, Fitzsimmons said, Harvard sometimes looks for hardship in parent occupations. "I think there's a huge benefit," he said under questioning from Harvard lawyer William Lee, "because I think, again, you bring with you to Harvard your life experience. And your life experience has been shaped often quite profoundly by your parents and your family situation."


Justice Dept. investigating Harvard over affirmative action policies

"For example," he said, "let's say you were the son or daughter of a migrant worker. It's one thing to talk about migrant workers and immigration in the abstract, for example. It's another thing to live with someone for four years [as an undergraduate on campus] who has lived that experience."
Addressing a different kind of diversity, Fitzsimmons referred to students who had studied Latin and Greek and might pursue the classics at the Cambridge, Massachusetts, campus.
"One of the things we're always interested in doing is getting more humanists to come to Harvard," he said. "Unfortunately, if you look at the College Board reports every year, there seems almost every year there are fewer and fewer students who want to do anything like the humanities in college. And we think we've got a great humanities program, and we teach over 80 languages."
Judge Burroughs let the testimony of the week unfold with few questions. She interjected, however, as Fitzsimmons maintained that "tips" that favor applicants, for example of wealthy alumni, "come into play only at a high level of merit."
"But didn't we see a chart earlier that said that there's a big chunk of athletes and of legacies that wouldn't get in but for that tip?" Burroughs asked.
Answered Fitzsimmons, "There are some who needed a tip to get in. That's true. But if you look at it in any sort of a national sense, they're all very, very competitive ... . Our applicant pool, you saw the 8,000 people with perfect grades and so on that you saw. It's quite a rarified pool in the end."
Asian-American applicants
As Hughes and fellow SFFA lawyer Adam Mortara introduced admissions data patterns during the week, Fitzsimmons acknowledged that the legacy "tip," or plus factor, does not, on the whole, help Asian-Americans. Data in exhibits introduced by the challengers also showed that as Harvard screeners consider demographic and personal factors beyond academics, the chances for Asian-American applicants drop significantly.
The category that hurts Asian-Americans most, the challengers insist, covers "personal" traits, from "likeability" to leadership. Harvard said information for that category is drawn from a variety of sources including teachers and guidance counselors.
In his opening statement on Monday, Mortara asserted that Asian-Americans do "shockingly ... poorly" compared to blacks and that the personal-trait category appears open to manipulation by admissions officers seeking certain percentages of racial minorities.
When personal traits and other demographic factors are added to the mix for African-American applicants, their chances for admission rise significantly, Fitzsimmons testified.
The percentage of Asian-American students admitted to Harvard has been steadily increasing, and for the most recently admitted class of 2022 reached about 23%. African-Americans were at about 15% and Latinos at 12%. A category of mainly white students accounts for 50%.
Looking back over his nearly half century in admissions, Fitzsimmons testified, "When I first started in admissions there were almost no Asian-Americans. We were only up to about 5% by the early '80s, and now it's 22.7%."
He testified that he had never observed any bias against Asian-American applicants, and when asked specifically about "personal" ratings that SFFA lawyers say can reflect stereotypes about Asian-Americans, Fitzsimmons maintained that there is no discrimination there.
Rather, he said, the ratings arise from "a process of having readers look at the evidence in the application, and really looking at everything in that application. ... There are so many different checks and balances on this."
 
Bullshit. They score high on the extracurriculars nobody gives a shit about.
The most popular EC a male student in the US can have on his application is lettering in a Varsity athletic. You're talking about a bunch of Hyper competitive Division 1 schools.
You honestly think Harvard wants to fill up a freshman class with a bunch of perfect SAT scoring math bowl contestants at the expense of a bunch of trust fund jock legacies? REALLY? Read the frickin review data. Asians dont have any footprint in the extra curriculars that Harvard in particular considers noteworthy in their admissions standard. Everyone gets to eat a big shit pie in this country when it comes to white priviledge. Sorry you though being exceptionally dominant in academics was a buy.


Read the article I linked to. What is jamming up the Asians is that the schools mark them low on personality and likeablity compared to other groups. Those are completely arbitrary criteria which is used to mask Harvard's anti Asian racism.
 
The ACLU weighs in on the lawsuit:



I find this pretty remarkable, and the language they use is rather telling. They're literally saying here that the need to punish whites for the colour of their skin is so urgent that Asian-americans are acceptable collateral damage. They could have said something like "will harm black students if successful" but they know that doesn't quite trigger the emotional response they're looking for with their targeted demographic. The main narrative via media and academia over the last several years hasn't been about lifting minorities up but rather cutting white people down. Sad to see a group that is purportedly about protecting civil rights to use such rhetoric.

cool, being accepted into college based on your own hard work and merit. awww, but it might benefit white people in the process. oh the humanity.



i would have thought the aclu would have been excited about the fact that the college acceptance system might actually become fair [/sarcasm]
 
Bullshit. They score high on the extracurriculars nobody gives a shit about.
The most popular EC a male student in the US can have on his application is lettering in a Varsity athletic. You're talking about a bunch of Hyper competitive Division 1 schools.
You honestly think Harvard wants to fill up a freshman class with a bunch of perfect SAT scoring math bowl contestants at the expense of a bunch of trust fund jock legacies? REALLY? Read the frickin review data. Asians dont have any footprint in the extra curriculars that Harvard in particular considers noteworthy in their admissions standard. Everyone gets to eat a big shit pie in this country when it comes to white priviledge. Sorry you though being exceptionally dominant in academics was a buy.

Theres not a shred of proof of any of that and if there is I would like to see a source.

And whats the benefit to them of filling up a class with football jocks? How many of them would even end up in the pros anyways and the rest get normal and stable jobs that contribute next to nothing to the overall benefit of society.

Either way, its a shitty way to recruit future leaders and scientists that will solve our biggest issues like global warming. Instead its some shitty popularity contest, good way to promote idiocracy, no wonder the west is falling ever deeper into mediocrity.

You can't really claim to be a meritocracy with shit like this in your system. In the end, your no better than a communist nation.

This is yellow peril 2018 version, thats all it is, thats all it ever has been.
 
I love how normalized it is in western society to assign blanket personality traits to Asians.

"All asians have no personality", yet if I were to say all blacks are criminals and all whites are racist, then that is considered racist. But to stereotype me and those like me as being emotionless automatons, thats A-OK USA. Fuck off.

Yea you whites are and blacks are sooooooo fucking dynamic, soooo much personality, yea you guys are sooooo fucking cool, "ermagherd Suzy, like aren't us whites/blacks like sooooo fucking rad!" Fuck off you media brainwashed edgelord culture. The truth is you fucks are some boring motherfuckers too, with boring lives and zero personality. In fact, the asians I've known have more personality and intestinal fortitude. And Asian countries are way more hype than boring ass western nations where everyone lives like a fucking hermit, everything closes at 10pm, its like a boring old folks home filled with boring miserable people.

Fucking cunts, yellow peril just keeps morphing. In the 60s/70s its Fu Manchu, in the 80s it was the Japanese auto manufacturers, and present day its affirmative action, bamboo celing and warmongering with China.
 
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Read the article I linked to. What is jamming up the Asians is that the schools mark them low on personality and likeablity compared to other groups. Those are completely arbitrary criteria which is used to mask Harvard's anti Asian racism.
Without disagreeing with how they're rated, they've also seen their percentages increase year over year. That's trying to argue the point in both directions. The school is negatively rating them on "personality" but adding more of them at the same time? That undermines an argument of discrimination to some degree. Not completely, obviously, but somewhat.

But, as I said in another post, there is a subset of the population, not just Asian, that puts all of their efforts into academics and academics related extracurriculars. And it's pretty clear that if you take that route, you have be better than exceptional to have a shot at admission to these elite colleges. And Harvard clearly has a bias towards extroverts. So things like chess club and such might actually be detrimental because they don't trade on extroversion the way things like sports do.

I've had this conversation with my wife about our kid. He needs some extracurriculars but they can't all be things that show off intelligence and the ability to study. Play a sport, do something unique, take on real leadership beyond class president or whatever. Everyone is doing those things. She's Indian so her default idea of extracurriculars was math club, chess club, etc. My father-in-law basically tells us not to do anything that doesn't tie in to academics because they're all a waste of time. My kid's smart but he's not once in a generation smart so the cookie cutter "Look how smart I am" approach is not going to cut it unless he's doing something phenomenal like building game changing robots or apps or whatever.

Anyhoo, long story short, I think the personality thing is the right way to go for the plaintiffs and I think it has exploitable flaws for the defense. Curious how it plays out as the trial continues.
 
The ACLU weighs in on the lawsuit:



I find this pretty remarkable, and the language they use is rather telling. They're literally saying here that the need to punish whites for the colour of their skin is so urgent that Asian-americans are acceptable collateral damage. They could have said something like "will harm black students if successful" but they know that doesn't quite trigger the emotional response they're looking for with their targeted demographic. The main narrative via media and academia over the last several years hasn't been about lifting minorities up but rather cutting white people down. Sad to see a group that is purportedly about protecting civil rights to use such rhetoric.



Or simplify it even further: "If we dont' limit Asians, our school will be 93% Asian in 10 years, and thats not good for anyone.".

Trying to complete with Asians, mostly Chinese, in academics is pretty much impossible.

My kid had 4 Chinese friends in her grade 3 class but 0 in grade 4. The reason is b/c the gifted school and gifted programs have grade 4 as the entry year.
 

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