The War On Asian-American Students' Academic Success: New York to get rid of elite High School test

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  1. ElKarlo

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    @MicroBrew thanks for the shout out
    I'm mixed though. My dad is white, and I pass as white. Was told by an Israeli soldier thst I look like a Bulgarian . Which falls in your souther. European.
    And yes I use Aa, or did when. I loved in the US
     
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    People can think what they want, i refuse to pick a side in the non-sense that its XIX century racialism.

    So lets simply put is as "i look white" or "Im mainly of caucasian heritage", but i wont deny the fact that as most Mexicans im just a mongrel.
     
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    I mentioned you and the case of White Hispanics because I recall you saying you had benefited indirectly or directly from from looking White in a society where it is advantageous to be White. Ofcourse these weren't your exact words but the gist of what you were saying (to the best of my recollection).
     
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    No doubt about it, im considered to be more attractive, wealthier and educated based on how i look from birth and thus i get preferential treatment in a lot of places.

    But saying "Im white" sounds like im denying the native heritage.
     
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    Wut? I just stated multiple times AA is discriminatory and unfair?
     
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    I must have confused your posts with someone else my apologies.
     
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    If it could be shown that black applicants had to score 400 more SAT points (on a 1600 scale) and 2 letter grade higher GPAs to get into college, would you be OK with that?

    And would you accept the college avoiding discrimination charges by using the same justifications you are -- that the discrepancy is OK because too many black people play the piano?
     
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    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    DOE Chief: Increasing diversity at specialized schools is a ‘moral obligation’
    By Selim Algar | June 5, 2018

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    https://nypost.com/2018/06/05/incre...ized-schools-is-a-moral-obligation-doe-chief/
     
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    Asian Groups See Bias in Plan to Diversify New York’s Elite Schools
    By Elizabeth A. Harris and Winnie Hu | June 5, 2018

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    Asian activists rallied in front of City Hall on Tuesday to protest Mayor Bill de Blasio’s plan to revamp admissions to the city’s specialized high schools, which they say unfairly targets them.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/05/nyregion/carranza-specialized-schools-admission-asians.html
     
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    Is NYC Mayor de Blasio Anti-Asian?
    By Patrick Buchanan | Friday, 08 June 2018

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    New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio speaks onstage at the Edison Ballroom on March 20, 2018, in New York City.


    https://www.newsmax.com/patrickbuchanan/asian-students-schools-mayor/2018/06/07/id/864908/
     
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    ^^^ Translation - Let's downgrade the quality of these schools so more black and Latino students can get in.
     
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    No Ethnic Group Owns Stuyvesant. All New Yorkers Do.
    Mayor Bill de Blasio’s plan would destroy the best high schools in New York City
    By Boaz Weinstein | June 13, 2018

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    Protesting Mayor Bill de Blasio's proposal to revamp admissions to New York City’s specialized high schools.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/13/opinion/de-blasio-stuyvesant-school.html
     
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    Interesting prespective Asians do better at the low stakes testing as well so that can't be a replacement
    https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/06/new-york-city-has-an-elite-high-school-problem/
     
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    That gap developes very strongly and very early (according to the article).

    It seems pretty obvious that the majority of the work to fix the problem should and will have to be done much earlier.
     
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    I like this line

    That may well be both doable and fair, though it’s likely that these kids are going to need extra help to catch up with their famously competitive peers at New York’s specialized high schools.

    Why don't they just come out and say Asian kids. Rather they are famously competitive peers
     
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    I'm a Korean student that went to Stuyvesant.

    One thing I have a huge problem with is this - They keep complaining that the specialized schools are all Asian and white kids - not enough diversity, not enough black and Latino kids.

    But within the "Asian" moniker is tremendous diversity; I went to school with Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Filipino, Taiwanese, Malaysian, Indonesian, Bangladeshi, Pakistani, Indian, Vietnamese, Burmese, Thai, Bukharian, Afghani, Kazakhstani and more students, all of whom are lumped under "Asian."

    All of these countries speak different languages, eat different foods, look different and come from all over the globe. Yet they are all one monolithic "Asian" group? WTF is that?

    If they counted this diversity instead of grouping them into one group, these specialized schools would the MOST diverse schools in the city.

    Another argument is that the students that get in have parents that pay for expensive tutoring. That is true in some cases - however, more than half the students are from POOR families.

    Their parents just sacrificed and scrounged to be able to pay for tutoring. They are disadvantaged too.

    I didn't even get tutoring. I just bought a Barron's practice test book. Which is like $15-$20 at Barnes & Nobles and ANYONE can buy.

    The vast majority of Stuy's students are the children of IMMIGRANT parents. They sacrificed and and gave a shit about their kids education - not complain.

    The thing that is different about this test is that it doesn't matter who your parents are, how rich you are, who you know, what recommendations you can get, etc. NONE of that matters.

    You pass the test, you get in., You don't pass, you don't get in. I don't know how much fairer you can get.

    If you can't pass, you didn't STUDY HARD ENOUGH.

    Additionally, you have TWO CHANCES to pass - in 8th and 9th grade. So get a freaking practice test book and study.


    The truth is this - the failure to prepare the black and Latino kids happens way before the time to take the test. K-8 education for them SUCKS. In a lot of those predominantly black and Latino schools, they can't even do fractions by 8th grade. How in the hell are they supposed to keep up with the city's brightest students?

    And finally - This test is NOT SUPER HARD. And this is not me being cocky. I'm not a genius - at all. I got average grades at Stuy and often below average because I cut class so much.

    If you don't have the ability to study and pass this test, you shouldn't get in - period. This is affirmative action gone wrong - for a number of reasons - it takes slots away from much more hard working and deserving students, it won't help the students let in that couldn't pass because they can't keep up, it'll dumb down the school, and diversity doesn't only mean black and Latino students.
     
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    Thank you for your perspective.
     
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    I forgot to mention one more thing - Most black and Latino students don't even KNOW about the test and don't even take it. That's a failure of their PARENTS.
     
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