The US Will Have Single Payer and The Complete Lives System Within 10 Years

[Deus Ex Machina]

Capitalism and healthcare are strange bedfellows sure. So that means we should exchange the awful capitalists for the cold bureaucrats by regulating the crap out it?It's the permissive direction that comes along with these types of people I hate not so much laziness. I Guarantee you I'll be helping women get abortions. I resent it and vote accordingly

I respect your view on abortion and not wanting to pay for it, I certainly do not agree with it but thats for another day. I can definitely understand why it would anger you to see your tax money pay for it.

I guess that when something is for the greater good there will always be compromises, I disagree with women in the UK getting boob jobs on the NHS or my going to hippy home births and that sort of crap but you can't have everything.

I would rather see my sensibilities being irked than see people with serious illness left destitute through no fault of their own (obviously sometimes it will be their fault but you see what I mean).

 

[nostradumbass]

I do not understand why anyone defends the practices of US healthcare, research cost may be expensive but that's not because they have to be it's simply because the people running pharma choose to make it that way and shareholders demand immediate profit.
I like people making money, money buys cool things and security but there are some things that are more important, ironically your health is one of those things. I am not a commie or even a socialist but the naked greed in the healthcare sector repulses me, it is the very definition of profiting from other peoples misery.
You may not believe this but in a lot of the world healthcare is a calling for people who really want to make a difference and help society and they are respected for that. Doctors are well paid in the UK, of course not as much as in the USA, but they do well and are respected.

I know there is a mindset in a lot of people that the market sorts everything out (ultra libertarian?) but when it comes to people being bankrupted because they get sick? that's not good. I know a lot of people have been taught to believe that if they have universal healthcare they are just paying for other, lazier peoples healthcare but if, even after that, it is cheaper, why worry about it? You can help those less fortunate, save yourself a lot of money and never have to worry about your families health if your personal circumstances change.

it's easy to be a hardcore capitalist when things are going well

no no no sir, it's not because "the people running things". You don't need to know how the sausage is made, you just need to be on the buyer's end. I have lots of gripes about out healthcare industry but it's a chain thing and not just so easy.

 

[lukaswithelidof]

I respect your view on abortion and not wanting to pay for it, I certainly do not agree with it but thats for another day. I can definitely understand why it would anger you to see your tax money pay for it.

I guess that when something is for the greater good there will always be compromises, I disagree with women in the UK getting boob jobs on the NHS or my going to hippy home births and that sort of crap but you can't have everything.

I would rather see my sensibilities being irked than see people with serious illness left destitute through no fault of their own (obviously sometimes it will be their fault but you see what I mean).

In the USA we have Medicare for the poor. I'll be honest I don't know much about it but it covers the destitute. I would never consent to public funding for abortions. Or boob jobs though a case could be made those promote the public good more than abortions

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

no no no sir, it's not because "the people running things". You don't need to know how the sausage is made, you just need to be on the buyer's end. I have lots of gripes about out healthcare industry but it's a chain thing and not just so easy.

I can believe that, I cannot imagine the complexities of deconstructing the current system and rebuilding it, more to the point I wouldn't trust anyone involved in the project either.
I think this may be the only real argument against universal health care, politicians are either too inept, too crooked or to bought and paid for to ever make it work.

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

In the USA we have Medicare for the poor. I'll be honest I don't know much about it but it covers the destitute. I would never consent to public funding for abortions. Or boob jobs though a case could be made those promote the public good more than abortions

All I understand about medicare I learned from that film with Tupac, Tim Roth and that black English girl who plays the Madam in Westworld...Gridlock'd. Basically they are trying to get in to rehab and running foul of medicaid. Perhaps I should reevaluate my sources

 

[nostradumbass]

I can believe that, I cannot imagine the complexities of deconstructing the current system and rebuilding it, more to the point I wouldn't trust anyone involved in the project either.
I think this may be the only real argument against universal health care, politicians are either too inept, too crooked or to bought and paid for to ever make it work.

Well there are a few things that make it tricky. Insurance is a business, so they're counting on turning a profit, but we already know gov't will spend like 6 cents on the dollar towards what you actually think you're paying for, and the rest is spent on bureaucracy, It basically freezes whatever industry it takes over, so you'd better be sure this is as good as it's ever going to get. The DMV doesn't even use email ffs.

 

[My Spot]

Our government can't even get healthcare right for less than 1% of the population through the VA but sure, let's just hand them the keys to everything.

 

[Rematch]

Am I correct in my understanding you class being hereditary as being preventable? You believe that not being born is an effective method of ensuring you do not get cancer?

You would be incorrect.

 

[HomeCheese]

One can only hope for s sensible system like single payer and coverage for all. A really good analogy I heard was comparing the dialogue on healthcare and coverage for all to the struggle against child labor. It took many years and an evolving debate for the laws against child labor to come into place. It's a similar evolution towards universal coverage.

Though the ACA is flawed, it is a huge improvement over what we had before and has succeeded in moving the debate forward. The given the opportunity even the Republicans did not have the stones to go backwards.

 

[RockstarChris]

was the plan all along, destroy the healthcare system with Obamacare then make it fail so that the government can run it.