The Truth about USADA, Failed Tests and "Cheating" Fighters

lsa said:
VADA uses the WADA banned list and uses WADA approved labs.
VADA and USADA would be testing for the same substances. There would not be any real difference.
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A lot of differences.

Wada code doesn't just cover the prohibited list and analysis.

It covers everything from test planning and strategy, collection, analysis, reporting, results management, transparency and data reporting and WADA oversee every step of the way what signatories such as usada are doing to ensure compliance

Vada just usada Wada accredited labs (which anyone can use) , that's it. They are not monitored or overseen, and they do not publicly report testing data
 
Only Here for Attachments said:
Perhaps age and mileage had something to do with that?
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Milage okay ...... man was under 30 when he fell off earth. Yes shogun did ad well but ....... cro cop leaves pride an I'd journeyman, Nog has a few solid fights an get owned by mir, wand becomes jouneyman, .......... what Stipe had done is un matched in mma hw CLEAN.
 
This is strictly my opinion and may not be a popular one and this isn't just about MMA but sports in general.

I believe, for professional athletes, if they want to ingest and pollute their bodies with foreign substance to enhance their performance is perfectly ok. Afterall these are professionals and they should know the risks. Afterall, these guys are performing to entertain us, the more jacked up they are, better performance we shall see.
 
The truth is

Zuffa protected fighters
and NAC were paid to stay away
 
NinjaSkillZ said:
if they want to ingest and pollute their bodies with foreign substance to enhance their performance is perfectly ok
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That's if you don't want to see the best man win.

NinjaSkillZ said:
the more jacked up they are, better performance we shall see.
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Now that's just incorrect.

Maybe you just want to see WWE? Everybody's jacked and entertaining
 
dimspace said:
A lot of differences.

Wada code doesn't just cover the prohibited list and analysis.

It covers everything from test planning and strategy, collection, analysis, reporting, results management, transparency and data reporting and WADA oversee every step of the way what signatories such as usada are doing to ensure compliance

Vada just usada Wada accredited labs (which anyone can use) , that's it. They are not monitored or overseen, and they do not publicly report testing data
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Who oversees and monitors them?
 
unfinishable said:
Who oversees and monitors them?
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who oversees who? Vada or Wada?

Vada - nobody

Wada - one would argue they are publicly accountable as they publish full and detailed testing numbers, full financial reports etc
 
dimspace said:
who oversees who? Vada or Wada?

Vada - nobody

Wada - one would argue they are publicly accountable as they publish full and detailed testing numbers, full financial reports etc
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So they basically oversee and monitor themselves? Is there a second party that oversees and monitors them?
Just because they publish results does not mean they have someone overseeing how they got the results
 
So, Jon Jones who failed a test is innocent and Fedor, who hasn't failed a test was on PEDs.

Got it.
 
tenniswhiz said:
Saying he definitely used roids is just as idiotic as saying that he’s definitely always been clean.
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If Fedor continued his greatness after pride then I would agree, but he didn't. He was a shell of his former self which gives evidence towards him juicing. But of course nothing is certain but it's not like it's 50/50. More like 75/25 that he juiced like the clear majority of prides hws.
 
unfinishable said:
So they basically oversee and monitor themselves? Is there a second party that oversees and monitors them?
Just because they publish results does not mean they have someone overseeing how they got the results
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but it isnt them getting the results.. thats the labs, the anti doping agencies, not wada.

wada write the rules, regulations and guidelines on how testing should be conducted. they write guidelines on how test planning should be done, what standards should be used when collecting samples, what standards should be met by the labs, and how testing bodies should handle results management, positive tests etc. but thats all they do. wada dont do any testing, they dont do any analysis, they are purely a regulatory body that sets guidelines and standards and monitors so ensure those standards are met.


bodies like USADA then sign up to the wada code (signatories) and agree to follow those standards and practices, to meet those guidelines, and WADA's only role is to ensure that USADA remain in "compliance"

You then get laboratories, which are totally independent entities, they are not run by wada, or controlled by wada, they are all private labs (usually linked to universities or dealing in research). Those labs, if they can meet the criteria WADA require, if they follow WADA practices for analysis of samples, can apply for "accreditation", which basically means they operate in line with the WADA code (and therefore are suitable to be used by wada signatories such as USADA, UK Anti doping etc). But wada dont run these labs, they dont own these labs, there only involvement is accrediting them and ensuring they remain compliant.



So wada dont do any testing, they dont do any sample collection, they dont do any analysis, all they do is monitor, so theres essentially nothing to actually oversee as far as WADA goes. Monitor that they are monitoring correctly? Thats like saying if the police complains commission monitor the police, who monitors the police complaints commission? and who monitors the people who monitor the police complaints commission?

Ultimately there is nothing really to monitor as far as wada goes except that they monitor others.. so one could monitor their monitoring i guess.. as far as the rest, they publish financials so they are financially accountable (may surprise you to learn WADA's annual budget is only about $30m - thats their entire global budget).

There is a certain amount of reverse monitoring as well.. National Anti doping agency heads frequently meet and they will discuss aspects of WADA's governance.. the WADA board is also made up of representatives from sporting federations such as the IOC (A potential conflict of interest that they are making steps to move away from)
 
HendoIsChamp said:
If Fedor continued his greatness after pride then I would agree, but he didn't. He was a shell of his former self which gives evidence towards him juicing. But of course nothing is certain but it's not like it's 50/50. More like 75/25 that he juiced like the clear majority of prides hws.
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It was still WAY before USADA.
He beat Timmy, Arlovski, and Rogers, before losing 3 straight.

In the end, it doesn’t matter.
If Pride didn’t ban them, then there is no point speculating because he didn’t break any rules, nor was he ever caught juicing in the USA (unlike Vitor, Reem, and others).

Guys like Jones and Silva broke the rules of their organization.
Fedor never did.
 
tenniswhiz said:
It was still WAY before USADA.
He beat Timmy, Arlovski, and Rogers, before losing 3 straight.

In the end, it doesn’t matter.
If Pride didn’t ban them, then there is no point speculating because he didn’t break any rules, nor was he ever caught juicing in the USA (unlike Vitor, Reem, and others).

Guys like Jones and Silva broke the rules of their organization.
Fedor never did.
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You're right. There is no point speculating because all pride fights are irrelevant. You can't compare a steroid league to a league with testing.
 
HendoIsChamp said:
You're right. There is no point speculating because all pride fights are irrelevant. You can't compare a steroid league to a league with testing.
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Yes indeed.
In the league with testing, the achievements of 2 of their greatest fighters have asterisks.

Maybe Anderson Silva was clean when he fought and lost in Pride, and then began juicing in the UFC, which enabled his accomplishments.
 
tenniswhiz said:
Yes indeed.
In the league with testing, the achievements of 2 of their greatest fighters have asterisks.

Maybe Anderson Silva was clean when he fought and lost in Pride, and then began juicing in the UFC, which enabled his accomplishments.
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Yes they have asterisks because they got caught in legit orgs.
Your second paragraph sounds like a nice fantasy but let's just stick to the facts.
 
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