Here's an update. I posted on this thread a while back that I've had good experiances with MMA Muscle in the past. Well that's changed. I ordered a pair of gloves in the 4/27 - 5/2 window that has been noted earlier. After 6 weeks and 7 emails I turned it over to my credit card company. I just got a call from thier rep Danny, they say they are sorry, and if I still want them they would give me a $10 gift certificate to use later. He told me about all the new products they are getting like "Tapout". I asked and he did say that it wouldn't be drop shipped any more, they are going to stock everything. That their only competion is going to be MMA Warehouse. I wished him good luck, but I'm not interested.