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  1. sub_thug Red Belt

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    It's also worth noting that the Chinese use their state-owned entities in entirely different ways that the rest of the world. Take, for example, their military. One of the things that the Chinese use their military for is cyber espionage in order to steal trade secrets, R&D, and other (expensive) proprietary information. Their military then turns it over to the Chinese Communist Party leadership, just like we might turn over normal espionage or intelligence reports. When we talk about defense in the US, those are really sunk costs. At best, we equate defense costs (like military aid to foreign nations) as investment for good relationships, treaties, openness in trade, etc. A less optimistic view is that we plop billions into places like South Korea to defend our own interests while also defending the interests of the South Koreans, and we're effectively paying for both of our lunches. The Chinese can actually make money with their military. It's interesting to think about creating different business models in the world today using state-level actors/agencies.
     
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  2. Devout Pessimist Steel Belt

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    Peterson's critics have lost all credibility because they are only interested in attacking him. Most of his critics do not even bother to quote anything he says in their attack pieces.
     
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  3. Rational Poster Scourge of the War Room

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    Pretty sure I laid out some pretty specific criticisms about what he talks about in this thread that you ignored.

    His cultural Marxist conspiracy bullshit is bullshit.
     
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  4. RubberGuard5 Brown Belt

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    I think you should read Explaining postmodernism by Steven Hicks.
     
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  5. Rational Poster Scourge of the War Room

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    I'm not saying postmodernism isn't a thing. I'm saying it's not some grand conspiracy.
     
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  6. TheGreatA Black Belt

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    Might not be a conspiracy, but it was intended as such.

    The original authors of post-modernist thought, laid out the advent of post-modernism in the West as such, that it must be furthered by a "long march" through the institutions, and a gradual subversion of culture.
     
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  7. Rational Poster Scourge of the War Room

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    <StannisFrown>
     
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  8. TheGreatA Black Belt

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    No, it's not actually. You're talking about two different things and making pretend they're one.

    Postmodernism is a specific philosophy.

    The long march is a specific strategy by a specific postmodernist thinker to spread his ideas through society. Subversion isn't a technique specific to postmodernists or communists. Capitalists have no qualms about using it either.

    If you really think postmodernism is so terrible come up with better ideas and make better arguments.
     
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  10. RubberGuard5 Brown Belt

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    Nobody is saying it is. I think you'll understand better what JP is talking about if you read this book.
     
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  11. Rational Poster Scourge of the War Room

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    Dude above you is trying to tell me it is right now in this thread.
     
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  12. headkicktoleg Only this manupod crescent in shape has escaped

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    If they brought 80% of their population into the 21st century their air would probably be unbreathable.
     
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  13. unimackpass Brown Belt

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    Most of the criticism is tactical in nature rather than substantive. It's more a lawyer approach than a philosophical discussion.
    One dude on here admitted he idolized him and "bought into" Petersons principles for life during a difficult time. Later he realized what happened and is now a critic citing saying he has a cult following with a froggy voice.
    This is really pathetic starting with idolizing anyone. Who would expect to agree 100% with what anyone teaches or every attitude someone has. That's more like a 8yr old needing Batman than than recognizing that someone has some wisdom for our times.
    Than to project that others idolize him like he used to, plus laughing at a guys voice, just points to the critic being a pathetic individual with nothing to say.
     
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  14. TheGreatA Black Belt

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    The long march was a strategy applauded by the originators of post-modern thought, of the now-infamous "Frankenfurt school". It was generally acknowledged, atleast at the time, as the way to go forward with the Marxist revolution.

    Subversion isn't limited to post-modernists but no one has put together a more comprehensive strategy on how to gradually subvert a population culturally in the modern-day context, than post-modernists.

    The reason why the subversive efforts of post-modernists are met with claims of conspiracy more often, is because there is obviously a lot more academic intellect and conscious planning behind the attempts to influence, compared to those of a Donald Trump, or the Fox News. Crude strongman bullshit simply does not compare to comprehensive, critically evaluated theories put together by intellectuals of various sort.

    The reality is that whenever people feel their intelligence is being belittled, and that they are being manipulated to think a certain way, they are going to lash out. Not necessarily because all of the ideas themselves are bad, but because they are being presented in a dishonest and indirect manner. Anything that is being disproportionately forced on people, is going to meet a backlash, that is only natural.

    I've never said that all of post-modernism is terrible, but I think that there are many flawed patterns of thought behind it. One of the consistent pests of Marxist-influenced thought is the idea that a "revolution" of sorts must ensue. That's something that even ol' Karl Marx would've liked to have had back, if he were able to look back from today's perspective. It leads to a generation of youth who become hysterical about requiring immediate change, instead of being able to witness human history as a gradual, stable progress, usually only interrupted and delayed by these sorts of "revolutions".
     
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  15. Devout Pessimist Steel Belt

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    Sure, Peterson's Marxist conspiracy bullshit is bullshit. So what? Are we all supposed to stop listening to everything else he has to say? I'm not understanding why so many people are upset with Peterson and his enthusiastic followers. One could do a lot worse than listen to what Jordan Peterson has to say.
     
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    I have to ask, why are you calling people who value Petersons input "cultists"? I mean, obviously you're interested in taking part in the conversation, so why take such an adversarial approach? Apparently you know enough about the guy to realize he's anti-ideologue and prefers to hash things out in open discussions. To me, that willingness to exchange ideas puts him as far from a cult leader as possible. This is the same as calling liberals "libtards" or conservatives racists or other such negative labels. This sort of combative communication is the reason we're where we're at - no understanding due to consistently being on the offensive or defensive. No bueno man.
     
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    I think the left attacks him so much because he presents reasonable right-leaning arguments. They are so used to people like Glenn Beck or Alex Jones that when someone comes around who actually challenges what they think it scares the shit out of them.
     
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  18. loyalyolayal Gold Belt

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    That and the chinaman has a punchable face. Fucking Vice.
     
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    I fail to understand this critique. How is it bullshit? We are seeing cultural marxist philosophy implemented as public policy. Where has Peterson advocated that its a conspiracy? When did he say its some shadowy cabal trying to advance these things? He hasn't. It's simply an ideology that has spread and reached critical mass to the point where its flowing into public policy.
     
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    yes, Stealing trade secrets, manipulating trade deals and using forced labour kind of go without saying. All the early industrial countries did that did all that stuff in the 1800's and early 1900's when they carved up Africa, South America etc. That's how they were able to accumulate capital in the first place.

    What makes China unique is the speed and scope of economic modernism due to the demographics.
     
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