The Islands and The Whales (whale hunting)

[tonni]

I grew up on a farm.
Chickens are not smart.
As I said, that doesn't mean I don't respect their life. But I have far less of a problem eating something that has a more limited intelligence.
And I hope you are not serious about not seeing the difference between a chicken and monkey.
There are definitely levels of intelligence among animals.

I live in Korea. They eat dog here. I don't like it, and would never eat it, but I don't lecture people about it either. But if you're going to tell me a dog and a chicken are the same, then you havent been around either animal.

i grew up on a farm. you didn't have a good bond with your chickens then, sorry. the levels of intelligence is relative

http://earthsky.org/earth/chicken-intelligence

 

[SmilinDesperado]

i grew up on a farm. you didn't have a good bond with your chickens then, sorry. the levels of intelligence is relative

Of course it's relative
I'm not saying chickens are brain dead.
But they arent on the level of a dog or a monkey.
Aside from that, they've been bred to be food for forever. Them being domesticated, bred animals is a large part of what makes eating them make sense over other wild, intelligent animals.

 

[tonni]

Of course it's relative
I'm not saying chickens are brain dead.
But they arent on the level of a dog or a monkey.
Aside from that, they've been bred to be food for forever. Them being domesticated, bred animals is a large part of what makes eating them make sense over other wild, intelligent animals.

the only rationality behind eating chickens is the convenience of it. chicken farmers would not give a damn if their chickens were chess players, they'd get eaten nonetheless.

i think what we feel is acceptable to eat is largely cultural. for example, i would feel really bad eating a dog because i grew up around dogs and i can't imagine life without dogs.

but pigs are not that different from dogs, and i have no qualms eating them. i can rationalize it all i want and say 'well it's bred to be eaten so it's good to eat them', but the fact of the matter is that i'm just explaining my prejudice away. i grew up eating pigs and that's why i'm alright with eating them.

i'm okay with eating wild animals if it's done in a sustainable fashion. i much prefer the indigenous way of hunting/gathering or small farms over factory torture farms.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

the only rationality behind eating chickens is the convenience of it. chicken farmers would not give a damn if their chickens were chess players, they'd get eaten nonetheless.

i think what we feel is acceptable to eat is largely cultural. for example, i would feel really bad eating a dog because i grew up around dogs and i can't imagine life without dogs.

but pigs are not that different from dogs, and i have no qualms eating them. i can rationalize it all i want and say 'well it's bred to be eaten so it's good to eat them', but the fact of the matter is that i'm just explaining my prejudice away. i grew up eating pigs and that's why i'm alright with eating them.

i'm okay with eating wild animals if it's done in a sustainable fashion. i much prefer the indigenous way of hunting/gathering or small farms over factory torture farms.

I get what you're saying, and I agree to an extent.
There isn't a straight correct answer on this, which as I was saying about Korea and dogs, I wouldn't lecture someone on dog consumption.
Personally, I rarely do eat pork because I know they're intelligent. As far as meat goes, I mostly stick to fish and chicken.

I'm not completely against eating wild animals, but eating whale feels about on the same level as eating elephant.

 

[tonni]

I get what you're saying, and I agree to an extent.
There isn't a straight correct answer on this, which as I was saying about Korea and dogs, I wouldn't lecture someone on dog consumption.
Personally, I rarely do eat pork because I know they're intelligent. As far as meat goes, I mostly stick to fish and chicken.

I'm not completely against eating wild animals, but eating whale feels about on the same level as eating elephant.

yeah, i know, it's just how it is. i myself would not eat whale either, unless i was on one of those islands and it was served to me. i'd eat any animal in the right context, but if i have a choice i'd stick to the ones i feel comfortable eating.

aren't we irrational huh?

 

[SmilinDesperado]

yeah, i know, it's just how it is. i myself would not eat whale either, unless i was on one of those islands and it was served to me. i'd eat any animal in the right context, but if i have a choice i'd stick to the ones i feel comfortable eating.

aren't we irrational huh?

True. True.
Even with this, even though I don't like it, it's on the same level as dog with me. I would never eat it, but I wouldn't go Green Peace about it unless it was an endangered species issue.

 

[tonni]

True. True.
Even with this, even though I don't like it, it's on the same level as dog with me. I would never eat it, but I wouldn't go Green Peace about it unless it was an endangered species issue.

yeah exactly. if it's endangered or critical to an ecosystem, leave it be.

 

[Bald1]

i grew up on a farm. you didn't have a good bond with your chickens then, sorry. the levels of intelligence is relative

http://earthsky.org/earth/chicken-intelligence

I see your complex chickens, and raise you Stone Age chimps.

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150818-chimps-living-in-the-stone-age

 

[Nooob]

Where are the "animal activist" when rich people go on a trophy hunting and hunt animals with their high calibre rifles for fun?

 

[Lord Coke]

Okay so I was at the Costco today thinking about this.
I bought a big packet of chicken breasts.
You can kill one blue whale and feed an entire village. You would need to kill 1000s or more chickens for the same. Maybe 100 cows. Isn't it more moral to kill one blue whale that 100 cows?

 

[MicroBrew]

well we have the rule of law if they can get the bill passed then good if not then oh well

that is my whole point with islam. If the muslims become the majority we have to switch to national socialism.

Laws are introduced or changed partly as a result of activism, eg: segregation. So Secular humanist activists can seek to ban halal/kosher slaughter, while Muslims and Jews can seek to keep it. In the same vein activists can try and change or outlaw the ritualized Faroe Islands slaughter.

 

[MicroBrew]

Okay so I was at the Costco today thinking about this.
I bought a big packet of chicken breasts.
You can kill one blue whale and feed an entire village. You would need to kill 1000s or more chickens for the same. Maybe 100 cows. Isn't it more moral to kill one blue whale that 100 cows?

Blue whale numbers are insignificant relative to chickens and cows, and they can't be factory farmed.