The 2 Biggest Detriments to African Americans: Integration and Immigration | Page 10

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  1. LostSoul http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/the-dump.78/

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    No one is forced to stay.

    The US is essentially run by Europeans and that is where Hispanic migrants want to be. Mexico on the other hand is an unmitigated massacre zone. If whites are so evil then why migrate to where the population is mostly white? For one it's a whole lot safer.
     
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  2. TheComebackKid Titanium Belt

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    Someone doesn't understand the concept of settling and building.
     
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    What is your point regarding per capita analysis since I've never ignored it? I don't think it's as informative as you do since there is usually more to the numbers.
     
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    Again, the whole west was practically Mexico.. so why dis whites migrate from the east to west? I can make the same argument.

    So blacks now have the choice to go back to Africa you say? Are they going to be finacially paid to do so since their ancestor made white ancestors rich for 100 of years? I mean they transported them from Africa to be slaves and fill their pockets.
     
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    It makes no difference. If Mexico still owned the western part of US they'd still be fleeing it to this very day. We now know who was ultimately able to make something of their country and who wasn't. What do they always say? They are coming here for a better way of life. Apparently that does not exist in Mexico. Whose fault is that? Ironically, if all of Mexico had been invaded it would have become a much better place altogether.

    Just as soon as African-Americans sue their own ancestors for selling them in to slavery in the first place. Look at what is happening in Africa today. Black leaders steal land from white farmers and then are forced to beg them to come back after billions of dollars are lost and starvation occurs.

    http://yourblackworld.net/2013/07/22/african-king-apologizes-for-africas-role-in-slavery/

    African King Apologizes for Africa’s Role in Slavery

    https://qz.com/458137/mugabe-is-asking-back-the-white-farmers-he-chased-away/

    Mugabe is asking back the white farmers he chased away
     
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  6. Jimmy Jazz Black Belt

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    lol you piece of garbage. your people are most definitely immigrants. You came here on this land against the will of us indigenous people and helped the white people rape, slaughter , and steal our land. You didnt found this country because you werent even citizens( sound familiar) of it for a good chunk of its history.I know many mexican americans of indigenous descent whose family was here before the united states even existed and don't forget Mexican Americans were made into citizens before you people were. so no you were not here since the beginning and you definitely werent here before natives.


    Whats ironic is that if you were around in the early days of this country you would probably be working in the fields as chattle, knowing your white master was raping your mother or sister and doing nothing about it. If you want to glamorize that I feel sorry for you.
     
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  7. TheComebackKid Titanium Belt

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    Taking over another's land isn't called immigration lol...its called conquering. Immigration is when you join an existing country not take the whole thing over, destroy it, and create your own. That's called conquering and settling.

    The country I'm referring to is called the United States of America. Not Mexico and not whatever Native American society was here. My people were here at the very beginning of the United States of America. We didn't immigrate to it...we built it and defended it. And all African Americans descend from the original people of this country. We are not immigrants. 11-30 million of Mexican Americans are however immigrants.
     
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    Interesting thread OP. Integration? Asians Integrate and they succeed. Do you work with successful Asians? I do, and they are fully "integrated" engineers earning $90-140k a year. They play the "white" game and win at life. Their grandparents or parents came to the US, married, and had kids named Michael, Sarah, Kevin, Renee or some other familiar "white" name. Parents oversee their children's education. They have their kids enrolled in Key Club, Chess Club, Debate, etc. The kids graduate HS, and go on to College. They settle down and repeat the process. The successful Asians that I work with live in majority white neighborhoods with minimal to zero crime rate. "Chinatown" settlement areas have been around longer than I have. Yes, they keep their own culture, way of life, language, etc but that is the old way and it kept its people poor and victimized. Jewish people have largely been successful whether they "integrate" into non Jewish culture or not but there are obvious reasons for that. Integration allows people to meet, serve, sell to, and profit from more people. It makes sense IMO.


    In the US, blacks need to do a few things to succeed which should be common sense.

    1) Don't have kids out of wedlock. Kids in single parent homes start off with more against them than those in a dual parent household with 2 loving parents who give a damn. The majority of black children are born into single parent (Female led) households with an income under $25,000. The average median income of a 2 parent household (any race) is over $80,000.

    2) Focus on education. Blacks drop out of High Shool at a rate roughly 5 times that of whites. You won't have businesses started by people who can't handle intermediate math or read at a H.S. level.

    3) Value life and "Christian style" morals. The murder rate is about 4x the National Average among blacks. If your kids aren't sure that they'll live to see age 21, do you think they're going to be able to focus on education? Do you think their business will succeed in an area where businesses get robbed? Do you think a business can survive in an area where people fear for their safety?

    4) Stop feeding into and off of a garbage culture of the Inner Cities. If you put MLK in front of today's blacks I don't think he would be popular. He was well dressed, well spoken, and a Baptist Minister who spoke of love, faith, and spoke against violence and rioting.

    5) Take hold of your destiny and be accountable for your actions and lot in life. Nobody is forcing you to pick up a gun, to sell drugs, to continue to live in your violent neighborhood. Can't afford College?Get a grant, apply for scholarships, or join the military. Humans have free will and as an adult we make our own choices.



    Your point concerning immigration makes sense to me. I'm white and have wondered why Blacks seem to vote against their best interests. I hate the two party system, but I believe Democrats with liberal policies have hurt Blacks by bringing direct competition in to the areas that are / were Black majority. The majority of whites want Blacks to succeed. No lie. It's in everybody's best interest if your neighbor is educated, moral, and has no want / need to turn to anything besides their job for the necessities and luxuries of life. Before blacks can be successful they need to (as do all people) have to have honest discussion about why their lives and communities are the way they are. In the US you are born poor and die poor because your parents made shitty decsions and you did too.
     
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  9. calavera2 White Belt

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    What ever makes you feel better brah...but that bit of willful ignorance isn't even the point I have a problem with. Your stance that African Americans should oppose Hispanic and Asian Immigration because it is somehow displacing the African American Community and relegating them to some lower social status is a right wing ethno nationalist talking point that you are buying into.

    Agree with the rest of your OP though that the African American Community needs to move past the SJW movement that has seemingly stagnated. Some self determination would help them make the next leap; which is the same for Hispanics in the US as well.
     
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    Actually it's a Hispanic/Asian/White ethno nationalist stance. We're the only ones who don't think and operate that way. The rest of you guys do and you prosper because of it. It's time we get in the game.
     
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    I don't think you quite understand what I mean by integration. It doesn't mean simply working alongside whites or following their blueprint for success.
     
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    You werent American citizens until 1868. Your people werent building this country as an equal to white men or as american citizens, you were working as imported foreign objects that were owned.You didnt help conquer this land until after you were freed, 200+ years after whites started settling here. Before that you were brought as immigrant slaves to this country. The slave trade didnt officially end until 1808, that means black slaves were immigrating here decades AFTER independence to the US, another country.

    Also building this country and defending it is not something distinct to African and Non hispanic Americans. Bernardo de Galvez, Jorge Farragut, and Francisco de Miranda all fought in the revolutionary war along with other hispanic soldiers. I know many mexican americans who have ancestors who fought in the civil war,wwi , wwii,korea, and vietnam. So stop trying to make hispanics foreign or suggest they don't have just as long a history fighting for this country as you do.http://www.pewhispanic.org/files/reports/17.3.pdf

    Also,I know what country you were referring too, and the fact is that mexican americans were full american citizens before your people were. NOWHERE in my post did I talk about Mexico. The current mexican american population is 35,797,080- show me a source that say up to 30 million are born in mexico. I think you are probably lying because as of 2012, 22 million mexican americans were born in the us.

    No not all blacks are descended from the original people of this country. thats a lie. Chris rock for example is 0% native as shown in the Henry Luis Gates documentary here




    I hear alot of black people say that they are native, but it is mostly just folk lore to explain their mixed raced ancestry from being raped by white people

    http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/12/genetic-study-reveals-surprising-ancestry-many-americans

    The fact is that african americans are generally not recognized by natives or the us government as native, so the small amount of dna some of you have means nothing.
     
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    Could you elaborate more on what you mean by integration?
     
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    You dont' seem to get it. I'm not claiming that we were original citizens and not slaves. I'm saying that we were here from the beginning and that we helped build this country and fight all of its wars. That makes us not immigrants but original peoples of this country.

    That is unless you yourself still don't count African slaves as people? Think about what you're arguing here. You are actually arguing that because the United States looked at us as chattel at the time that we actually were chattel and not people. Is that your argument?

    I don't mean to suggest there were no people of Mexican descent who were here from the beginning. My only argument is that there are millions...and millions...and millions of Mexicans who have since come here as immigrants and it makes no sense for us African Americans to identify with them the way we do. I mean its not like they identify with us.

    Well i need to clarify that when I say 11-30 million I'm only referring to illegal immigrants. So when you count legal immigrants that number is even higher.

    But as to your source. From 2005...

    http://www.steinreport.com/BearStearnsStudy.pdf

    1. The number of illegal immigrants in the United States may be as high as 20 million people, more than double the official 9 million people estimated by the Census Bureau.

    2. The total number of legalized immigrants entering The United States since 1990 has averaged 962,000 per year. Several credible studies indicate that the number of illegal entries has recently crept up to 3 million per year, triple the authorized figure.

    3. Undocumented immigrants are gaining a larger share of the job market, and hold approximately 12 to 15 million jobs in the United States (8% of the employed) 1 Asset Management

    4. Four to six million jobs have shifted to the underground market, as small businesses take advantage of the vulnerability of illegal residents.

    5. In addition to circumventing the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, many employers of illegal workers have taken to using unrecorded revenue receipts. Employer enforcement has succumbed to political pressure.

    6. Cell phones, internet and low-cost travel have allowed immigrants easier illegal access to the United States and increased their ability to find employment and circumvent immigration laws.


    Now obviously it says 20 million and not 30 but it was also from 12 years ago. That number has certainly swelled significantly. And the methodology and data they use is a bit more solid and reliable than the Census Bureau and Pew Research Center.

    From your link...

    The average African-American genome, for example, is 73.2% African, 24% European, and 0.8% Native American.

    Where do you think that 73.2% African comes from? Was there some significant migration of Africans to the United States that I am unaware of? Of course not. That 73.2% comes from the African population that was brought here at the beginning of the United States.

    And yes we were raped by white people, who were not immigrants, which is why we have 24% European ancestry. The vast majority, over 90% I believe, of African Americans descend from African slaves and European slave owners...neither of which are immigrant groups.

    Again, what does that matter? The United States didn't even look at as people. But I would hope you would agree that we were. So if there are people who were here at the beginning of the country, helped build it, and defend it...wouldn't they be considered natives? Again, this is true only unless you don't view African slaves as people.
     
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    ok i see what you are saying.
     
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    By integration I mean become part of white society, white establishment, white wealth, and the white power structure of which they would never have large scale ownership of.

    Sure there are Asians and Hispanics that strive for this but there are large portions Asian and Hispanic populations that focus on building their own communities, own culture, own language, own wealth, own industry, and own power structure. They aggregate and pool their resources and as a group they prosper.

    African Americans is the only group who almost exclusively still looks to gain token positions within white society, white establishments, white wealth, and the white power structure without building any of those things for ourselves. That should change.
     
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  20. kenetics Black Belt

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    Mexico was just find before whites invaded the west lol. So because blacks sold blacks in Aferica
    Mexico and the west were just find before the invaders.

    The slave trade through Africa sold slaves to europeans for weapons mainly. The europeans tricked the kings on many occasions to steal boat loads of slaves. Yes, some kings did sell slaves to europeans, buy thats because they wanted weapons and technologies to help them win wars between their own conflicts in Africa.

    We saw that europeans to slavery to a whole new level in north America. Context means alot man lol.
     
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