Texas cops shoot man who took gun from church shooter

[DespicablePeep]

https://m.chron.com/news/houston-te...disarmed-possible-12704202.php#photo-15127760



Some very brave people did a very good thing. Glad the guy is going to be OK. Hopefully we get more people with guns so this situation could have been resolved even better.

You sound more upset than the guy that got shoot.

 

[Based and White Pilled]

No you don't. You simply change tactics, standards and training as is required to counter the threat of 2018. Plenty of other jobs around the US now require Master's degrees when previously only required Associates, BA or in some cases certificate courses- for the same salary.

That's because more people have degrees now, so the increase in competition allowed that to happen.

There is not an increase in the number of highly trained security/combat personnel

 

[luckyshot]

Pretty badass dude. Great mindset too.
Nice to see that he's not using the moment as an excuse to bitch about guns, imagine the kinda pussy who'd do that.

Right wing mindset:

• You just got robbed at gunpoint? Not the time to bitch about guns.
• A kid just blew his brains out "playing" with a gun? Not the time to bitch about guns.
• There was just another mass shooting at a school? Not the time to bitch about guns.

Lemme know when the time to bitch about guns is. I'll make sure I'm comfortable waiting...

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[Byron Carter]

You wouldn't expect to be charged for shooting the guy after he is disarmed? Why take your shirt off?

It's not about being charged - it's a practice to show the arriving officers "I'm unarmed, I have nothing in my waistband."

They will cuff me, interview me and other witnesses, check surveillance, and then probably release me.

After the threat is neutralized, and the scene is secure, my next objective is to make it perfectly clear to the arriving officers, and any other good guys with a gun - that I am in fact not a bad guy.

 

[Prime Rib]

You kill him and then set your weapon down.

And get charged with murder yourself.

 

[Based and White Pilled]

It's not about being charged - it's a practice to show the arriving officers "I'm unarmed, I have nothing in my waistband."

They will cuff me, interview me and other witnesses, check surveillance, and then probably release me.

After the threat is neutralized, and the scene is secure, my next objective is to make it perfectly clear to the arriving officers, and any other good guys with a gun - that I am in fact not a bad guy.

I understand that putting the gun down etc is not about avoiding charges, that's about avoiding getting shot by the police. What I'm saying is that after they question witnesses and review surveillance video you will be convicted for shooting someone who was unarmed and under control of a large group of people. The guy is no longer a threat at that point.

 

[Prime Rib]

Sorry guys my computer seems to be double posting.

 

[all caps]

And get charged with murder yourself.

So youre going to sit back and watch people get smoked while armed? To avoid a murder charge? Why would you even be armed?

 

[Prime Rib]

So youre going to sit back and watch people get smoked while armed? To avoid a murder charge? Why would you even be armed?

He had disarmed the shooter. Shooting an unarmed person would constitute murder.

 

[all caps]

He had disarmed the shooter. Shooting an unarmed person would constitute murder.

Give your head a shake

 

[Prime Rib]

Give your head a shake

Am I missing something? Maybe I misread the article. It happens.

 

[HockeyBjj]

He had disarmed the shooter. Shooting an unarmed person would constitute murder.

Sadly this is true. I would hope the ol "He reached into his waistband" defense would fly in a case like this however

He could've had a secondary

 

[Prime Rib]

Sadly this is true. I would hope the ol "He reached into his waistband" defense would fly in a case like this however

He could've had a secondary

True that. I can't see a jury convicting him.

"He reached in his pocket and I feared for my life"

 

[BillytheFish]

That's because more people have degrees now, so the increase in competition allowed that to happen.

There is not an increase in the number of highly trained security/combat personnel

When driving a car became required within policing, did they get more pay for having their driving license? When a new weapon is issued and officers trained in it do they receive more pay?

My point is increasing training for someone does not have to mean increasing pay, especially for a government bound organisation.

 

[Byron Carter]

I understand that putting the gun down etc is not about avoiding charges, that's about avoiding getting shot by the police. What I'm saying is that after they question witnesses and review surveillance video you will be convicted for shooting someone who was unarmed and under control of a large group of people. The guy is no longer a threat at that point.

If I'm pulling my handgun, it's because there is an imminent threat to my life or someone else's.

Ergo, if I have to pull my weapon out - I'm shooting the threat to death.

I live in Florida, with 'Stand your Ground'. I pray I never have to pull it, but if I do - I'm not afraid to use it.

And yes, a person can still be a threat while unarmed.

 

[JosephDredd]

So maybe not even police should have guns?

Military should not have guns what point you try to make?

No, I never thought that even back when I was a liberal. If there were more armed people on the scene this guy wouldn't have been shot by the cops.

 

[Based and White Pilled]

When driving a car became required within policing, did they get more pay for having their driving license? When a new weapon is issued and officers trained in it do they receive more pay?

My point is increasing training for someone does not have to mean increasing pay, especially for a government bound organisation.

Increasing the training that the guys on the force receive wouldn't affect their pay. I agree.

Your original post that I responded to sounded to me like you were saying that the initial requirements to be on those emergency response teams should more stringent. When you increase the required qualifications without an increase in qualified people, that does have to affect pay.

Sorry if I misinterpreted your post.

 

[BillytheFish]

Increasing the training that the guys on the force receive wouldn't affect their pay. I agree.

Your original post that I responded to sounded to me like you were saying that the initial requirements to be on those emergency response teams should more stringent. When you increase the required qualifications without an increase in qualified people, that does have to affect pay.

Sorry if I misinterpreted your post.

Apologies for any confusion, I should have been clearer; the training should be more numerous in quanity and quality- how that could even be enacted with shift commitments I have NO idea...but that's the benefits of me judging the situation from the internet. I just know an obvious response to getting 'better' at situations is more training.

I also think LEOs would benefit from their public relations starting new campaigns- to reassure the public and announce what measures their relative departments are doing to meet the increasing 'active shooter' situations. The public need educating and reassured by the police, which as always is an uphill due to stigma of being the police.

 

[nhbbear]

Good for him. Glad he is ok, and update the officers when the threat is over so they don’t come in hot expecting a gunfight.

And hey, at least they went in. That same day, in Florida, the coward county deputies sar outside while an active shooter was inside a school.

We had a staff meeting on Tuesday and that issue was brought up. Our chief was saying “just so we are clear, does anyone have any questions about whether we go in the school if that happens? You go in that school and take out the damn threat!”

 

[Phelly2]

I have my own thoughts on it, but they're just opinions never tested nor even studied as thoroughly as they should be I realize. Not comfortable or confident sharing mine and someone taking it as potentially bad advice

I'd absolutely love to hear from one of our Sherbro LEOs on this matter. Can't think of any of the usernames to tag at the moment though

Since we don’t know the exact situation, what information the cops knew at the time, etc: judgment at this point would be the definition of Monday morning quarterbacking.

Generally speaking, as an officer, you want to give the guy commands to put the gun down before just shooting him.

But it’s not always that simple. For example, if you stepped over dead and bleeding bodies during the parkland shooting, and then you saw someone pointing a gun at a student, would you give him a chance to surrender or just shoot him in the back before he’s able to kill the student?

It’s sort of a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation.

I don’t have extensive training on active shooters, but I’ve done a few training scenarios, and yea, I shot everyone with a gun (one of which was role playing an off duty cop), which you learn to do after getting shot yourself a few times.

From what I’ve been told by firearms instructors is that studies have been conducted that show that in active shooter scenarios, most officers shoot when they see a gun, even if that person is also holding up a badge. The best thing to do is not let the officer see the gun until he knows you’re friendly. Even just hiding it behind your leg/back helps.