Testosterone does a lot more than increase strength

[tenniswhiz]

the men with the highest IQs are the CEOs
the employees are specialists, while CEOs are multifaceted. not sure why you're annoyed and sarcastic

The first generation CEO, yea.
(Gates, Jobs, Zuckerberg, etc)

The next generation of them are just good looking, full of shit, white boys from the ol' boys club. Voted in by a board comprised of daddy's and uncle's friends. Not high IQ at all.

 

[TheAgent025]

Those articles relate to anxiety which is caused by many things, not just low testosterone.



You're claiming that testosterone influences IQ, which it may well do but to conclude from this that roids gave Vitor the extra brain power to learn how to wheel kick and win fights is pretty friggin ridiculous. Sorry, but this is a prime example of how an uneducated reader can take a small piece of information and just run with it, making up all sorts bogus claims.



I'm "super butthurt" because I requested a citation?

Just speaking for myself i had very bad anxiety and depression when i had low test almost to the point i almost had to quit my job , its not fun when you get like that around ppl and then it just makes your depression worse . I got on trt in feb 15 after 3 months to find a protocal that works for me i feel like a new man ready to tackle any problem with no worries , sorry for butting into your debate but that is just my personal expirence . Good day sir .

 

[itheuser]

why don't you spit some knowledge then Einstein.

You know everything, so I'm just going to ask the questions, and let you shower us with knowledge.

 

[funksoulbrother]

DMT what?

 

[Pied Piper]

The first generation CEO, yea.
(Gates, Jobs, Zuckerberg, etc)

The next generation of them are just good looking, full of shit, white boys from the ol' boys club. Voted in by a board comprised of daddy's and uncle's friends. Not high IQ at all.

mens testosterone levels have dropped significantly over the past 3 decades or so, so im not surprised

 

[TrueFightFan]

Asian parents beat their children more than Caucasians and black people and that gives them higher IQ on specific tasks? Jesus Christ, just stop.

This thread's becoming a pseudo-science slug-fest.

It creates discipline and focus. Also, it isn't about the"beatings" it is what the discipline is in regards to. If you grow up being shamed or beat for failing at math and are forced to try harder, guess what. You are going to be better at math when you grow up. Don't forget, I'm an armchair psychologist as well as an amateur gynecologist, so I know what I'm talking about.

 

[Pied Piper]

You know everything, so I'm just going to ask the questions, and let you shower us with knowledge.

if you have no knowledge then you really can't criticize whats right or wrong, sweetheart

 

[TrueFightFan]

Have you read any of the studies done on IQ in twins growing up in different environments? I suggest reading over them when you have the time. Pretty interesting stuff.

Genetics do play a large part as to what you are capable of retaining but you have to be given something to work with.

 

[JDB]

Just speaking for myself i had very bad anxiety and depression when i had low test almost to the point i almost had to quit my job , its not fun when you get like that around ppl and then it just makes your depression worse . I got on trt in feb 15 after 3 months to find a protocal that works for me i feel like a new man ready to tackle any problem with no worries , sorry for butting into your debate but that is just my personal expirence . Good day sir .

Low test affects mood, there is no debate there. You must have misread my post.

 

[Deleted member 429453]

Actually, studies have shown that higher IQ correlates with lower testosterone, imo.

I hate to bring race into it, but it explains some differences among the races.

IQ: Asians > Whites > Blacks

Testosterone: Blacks > Whites > Asians

There are no races despite people really wanting there to be

One race homo sapien

 

[faustian]

Roids definitely worked miracles for Hammer House's fight IQ

Lol Jon doesn't have good fight IQ because of roids, he has good fight IQ because of Greg Jackson

 

[itheuser]

lol women's hormones are MEANT to fluctuate. meaning its natural. LOL completely random, this thread is about how fight IQ can be related to PEDs, I never once tried to justify anything, you're reaching big time in a desperate attempt to try and insult me. its a little strange you're even worked up over this. are you a woman?

Fight IQ? That's not something you can even define well, or control for.

Some of the smartest fighters have the lowest IQ in relation to anything that is important in human life. Fight IQ is not important, however you define it.

Human beings did not survive because of high "fight IQ." For most of human history, humans have forged alliances, gave concessions, and simply overwhelmed their opponents with force. Even in Chimps, leading the group for a few years requires social aptitude, and alliance building and not fight IQ.

Only relatively recently have armies even utilized complex strategy, or what would be considered strategic intelligence.

Being aggressive; especially among modern humans is not a favored trait, and it is a feature that has not been widely selected for; hence human beings being considerably calmer than chimpanzees.

Gorillas are the most docile great ape.

You are arguing for a meat-head's fantasy world where all of the negative traits associated with primitive human beings are somehow the most desired traits among modern human beings.

 

[Brueskie]

Anyone who has done a cycle of steroids can attest to how powerful the drug is, and how its benefits go well beyond strength and recovery. It fundamentally changes a person's body AND mind. Mental clouds lift giving you a laser-like focus even as as you feel like you can pick up a car and throw it into a nearby field. You really feel like a complete and living superhero while on them.

Fuck yes steroids can help you learn how to throw a kick, as well as grasp differential geometry and a foreign language.

And the above is why steroids can be dangerous. A couple of cycles a year combined with proper PCT is perfectly healthy, but many find they need that superhero feeling 365 days a year just to feel like they can deal with everyday life, never mind competing at top sporting levels. This is why you find guys like Jones repeatedly getting busted even given the consequences. For these kinds of guys, steroids is as necessary to their existence as food. There are guys who commit suicide off-cycle because it's so hard to deal with not being on them.

 

[TheAgent025]

Low test affects mood, there is no debate there. You must have misread my post.

Ya i did sorry , i have no idea if it makes you smarter but my mind is clearer and not so foggy as it was when having low T hope that helps you guys some .

 

[Pied Piper]

Fight IQ? That's not something you can even define well, or control for.

Some of the smartest fighters have the lowest IQ in relation to anything that is important in human life. Fight IQ is not important, however you define it.

Human beings did not survive because of high "fight IQ." For most of human history, humans have forged alliances, gave concessions, and simply overwhelmed their opponents with force. Even in Chimps, leading the group for a few years requires social aptitude, and alliance building and not fight IQ.

Only relatively recently have armies even utilized complex strategy, or what would be considered strategic intelligence.

Being aggressive; especially among modern humans is not a favored trait, and it is a feature that has not been widely selected for; hence human beings being considerably calmer than chimpanzees.

Gorillas are the most docile great ape.

You are arguing for a meat-head's fantasy world where all of the negative traits associated with primitive human beings are somehow the most desired traits among modern human beings.

lol wait I totally remember you. you're that intersectional feminist who got mad at
bisping because he criticized Karen Bryant and went on a rant about how hes threatened by women and is insecure in his masculinity


ok this makes sense now. your delusion that humans are beyond evolutionary programming is cute

 

[GriffinLHWChamp]

It does ALOT more than increase strength and recovery. it increases the amount of DHT in the Hippocampus, which greatly diminishes anxiety and fear. there is also a correlation between high testosterone and IQ. There is a reason why women are more prone to anxiety and lack of confidence, they have lower testosterone and high E2(estrogen)

not only can Testosterone make a fighter more confident, it can raise his fight IQ as well, which IS why we see fighters like Vitor all of a sudden knowing how to set up wheel kicks at the perfect time, or Overeem strategizing how to avoid getting hit in his weak spot(the chin). once both of these fighters got off of test, they lost not only their strength, muscle, and speed, but their fight IQ and confidence went down as well.

Jones is regarded as having one of the best fight IQs in the sport, but now we really have to question if this stems from PEDs. the initial argument is "Jones has a high fight IQ already naturally, PEDs just enhances it." Thats not necessarily true. Some people;e respond better to PEDs than others, its really a roll of the dice.

This post makes clear assumptions with flawed reasoning. For instance higher IQ is associated with higher testosterone. TRUE. But we are talking about NATURAL LEVELS which what the studies are based on. In other words if you have high IQ your chances on average of having higher testosterone are also likely.

Want to know some other studies in which higher IQ was found to have a connection? Being good looking. Homosexual/Lesbian. Having ADDHD. There are many things that have found a connection to higher IQ GENETICALLY however NOT because of higher testosterone levels being added to the picture. The real secret is that people have both good genetics and bad genetics and not everyone is EQUAL. In otherwords being good looking also means your likely higher in testosterone reguardless of gender. In otherwords the better looking your ancestors were the more likely they had good choices for breeding hence things such as looks/testosterone levels/intelligence/and even psychopathy are all genetically corrolated clearly.

Saying that Vitor suddenly learned how to set up a wheel kick because of testosterone is purely ridiculous. I've done steroids many times now and I know what they do and don't do. They CAN increase explosiveness (quickness). They WONT make you smarter. They acctually INCREASE anxiety in many people (in many others decrease).

Woman are not more anxious than men and it is absolutely not because of testosterone levels. Woman are designed in a completely different way than men hormonaly and don't react similarly to the drugs. A man with the testosterone levels of a woman can be suicidal. A woman with the estrogen levels of a man will feel similarly extreme depression. Some people react well to low test levels. Some dont. Some get extremely angry and aggressive on high testosterone and some are totally normal. Some people get huge on steroids and some people just get more mild benefit.

There is so much misconception about steroids its absolutely sick. Steroids for instance do not turn you into a beast like its magic. In my next steroid cycle I plan on putting on 12 pounds of muscle in 12 weeks. This acctually is VERY GOOD. For instance instead of been at 10% bodyfat at 170 pounds I will maybe be at 8% at 182. BIG DIFFERENCE. Had I gained 12 pounds of muscle in 12 weeks naturally maybe 5 pounds would be muscle and 7 would be fat and at the end of gaining that muscle I would have to take 3 weeks to cut the 7 pounds of fat and I finish at lets say 175 pounds at 9% body fat.

In otherwords due to the way my body reacts to steroids (others react stronger some less strong) In 15 weeks I can be 175 pounds at 9% body fat and on steroids I may be 182 at 7 or 8% in only 12 weeks. This may not seem like a big deal because it is. For me to get from 170 at 10% body fat to 182 at 8% body fat would of acctually taken me almost the whole year rather than in only 12 weeks on steroids. Why? First 12 weeks I gain 5 pounds.. another 12 weeks 5 more pounds (muscle) and maybe another 6 weeks or so to gain 2 pounds. 30 weeks gaining 12 pounds muscle naturally but then I got to cut 20 pounds of fat (12 weeks) And want to know what else? When you lose weight natural you also lose some muscle. So end of the day steroids are dramatic for us guys lifting but people dont understand what is possible and what isnt. They literally think you can look like Arnold after a steroid cycle and in reality it takes years and years of training but steroids are simply the strongest supplement known to man and yes dramatic but not what you guys are thinking.

A guy on steroids is at a tremendous advantage in a fight. Stronger/quicker/Leaner. If a 40 year old takes steroids hes 21 again. This is no joke and Im dead serious. You feel like great and can eat things that normally get you fat and you stay lean. You gain muscle faster and stay lean. You have more energy. You are quicker and stronger. Its a big fucking deal but it doesnt do all this crazy shit like make you smarter and the strength gains are real but not like turning you into a gorilla its more of a thing where you go back to having your optimal body and youthful body. Steroids are an amazing thing. But its not magic. Building muscle is still diet/exercise/dedication its hard work. Even on steroids it takes hard work and it doesnt happen over night.

 

[TheAgent025]

There are no races despite people really wanting there to be

One race homo sapien

No 1 species , different races of the same species

 

[agony88]

No 1 species , different races of the same species

I think peacemaster is thinking of taxonomy....otherwise they are absolutely wrong.