Teachers Are OVERpaid

The trick is to become a high school gym teacher.

Never take any work home, never grade a test and watch 18 year olds boobs bounce in gym class.


That's pretty dead end though. I have a good friend who did exactly that, got a nice cushy job as a highschool PE teacher, same salary as the other teachers, none of the extra work.

Problem is now that he's done it for like 7-8 years, he's sort of stuck. He wants to move out of state but nobody will hire him for anything other than PE positions and those are incredibly rare, he also tried to get into admin (principle, vice principle) both of which require you to have taught for several years but nobody will look at PE teachers for those positions.
 
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Teachers aren't overpaid, if anything the profession is underpaid thus you're not attracting consistent high quality candidates. Once you pay properly you can start attracting better candidates who might go into other fields because of pay

Teachers in my state make around what a Quick Trip employee makes.. We're actually losing a lot of quality educators to other states. TS is a tard
 
Yes, yes, there are some amazing teachers that deserve every penny they get. Obviously, not talking about these outliers. Let's move on.

Blows my mind when people always say that teachers are underpaid. I don't know what fucking schools these people attended, but teachers are fucking terrible everywhere I've been.

Low barrier to entry, decent pay, ridiculous vacation time, hard to be fired, usually great pensions, pretty damn easy job. I just don't get it. Where did this myth originate that teachers were so poor and oppressed?

They literally only have to work 9 months out of the year, get benefits that exceed their salaries, and have a pretty damn easy job. Sure, kids can be annoying and stressful, but, compared to every other job out there, it's nothing. If the worst you have to deal with is kids being rude and disruptive, you don't have my sympathies.

And again, this isn't about all teachers. Many teachers, usually college professors in STEM fields, earn their pay. But again, we're not talking about the outliers, but teachers as a whole.

Please show us on the special doll where the bad teacher touched you...:)
 
And they can't even paddle the kids and the principals even make teachers change the grades if the kid earns a bad grade. I wouldn't want to deal with the parents either.

Actually I did that once. My 11th grade English teacher couldn't believe I prepared my presentation on Gore / Bush myself (which I had). She thus decided to give me a 2 at the end of the year (a B) when I had an average of 1.1 in my written exams. I was fucking pissed at the bitch and unleashed my father (who happens to be a former English teacher, btw) on the principal. It worked.

Not proud of it, but she deserved it

Regarding the topic in general, teachers certainly deserve good pay. Yes, they have a lot of spare time, and there are many teachers who do anything but work hard. But we want them to educate our kids properly, and I do agree with rip that there are very difficult kids especially in urban areas (in Germany, too). I guess these always existed, but while the job is easy regarding knowledge and content (and working hours in most cases), it's not easy from a pedagogic perspective at all.

And I always ask people who dis teachers (sometimes, I have to ask myself there :) ): would you wanna be a teacher? If no, why not?
 
Then increase standards. Don't talk about them being overpaid when it's already hard enough for us to get good teachers because the states pay ass.

And lol @ "victim complex". You're in here crying about them not having to work summers and having benefits when they probably work 90 hours a week when you consider grading, lesson plans, long term planning, and workshops.

People like you are the reason we have a dearth of good teachers, don't get it twisted.
90 hours a week? lol. nah man.

my dad was a public school teacher, my uncle, two aunts, and about 20 friends/classmates. When I was six he'd have me grade his high school student geography exams. Shit is easy as.

he retired at 55, just got a part time job in the summer and saved his money. it's not really that hard.
 
Teachers are not overpaid. School superintendents and management in the public education sector (that make 6+ figure salaries) are grossly over paid. They are thermal problem, not the teachers.
 
Yes, yes, there are some amazing teachers that deserve every penny they get. Obviously, not talking about these outliers. Let's move on.

Blows my mind when people always say that teachers are underpaid. I don't know what fucking schools these people attended, but teachers are fucking terrible everywhere I've been.

Low barrier to entry, decent pay, ridiculous vacation time, hard to be fired, usually great pensions, pretty damn easy job. I just don't get it. Where did this myth originate that teachers were so poor and oppressed?

They literally only have to work 9 months out of the year, get benefits that exceed their salaries, and have a pretty damn easy job. Sure, kids can be annoying and stressful, but, compared to every other job out there, it's nothing. If the worst you have to deal with is kids being rude and disruptive, you don't have my sympathies.

And again, this isn't about all teachers. Many teachers, usually college professors in STEM fields, earn their pay. But again, we're not talking about the outliers, but teachers as a whole.

Yeah for real. How hard is it to teach math to a 5th grader? Anyone can do that. It doesn't require any special skills.

What happens is these people load themselves up with bullshit certifications and then convince themselves that they're highly educated specialists that deserve high compensation. You didn't need to get any of that to teach a 10 year old how to add 5+5, dingus. You have no skills and a stack of useless paper certifications.
 
I'm no economist, but... If you increase pay you increase the demand to be a teacher and in turn make the field more competitive. And through competition you will get a better product.
Real life isn't an economics 101 theory. Supply and demand doesn't set prices that way in the real world. There's way more elasticity than you'd think
 
Teachers are paid less than babysitters. If a teacher got paid $10 per hour per kid (a low going rate for babysitters) that would be like $1,500 per day.

Low barrier to entry? 33 states plus DC require a teacher to earn a master's degree. Just looking at the current expense of getting a bachelor's and a master's degree, you're telling me that $45K (the current average salary in the US) is overpaid?
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/All_K-12_Teachers/Salary

There is already a shortage of teacher's in some subjects. Good luck attracting strong candidates with lower salaries.

And there's the hole in your argument. What degrees you had to get have nothing to do with how much money you make. Teachers assume that because they load up on master's degrees, teaching certifications, and teaching licenses that they deserve to make good money. Nope.

Any random fool can teach a 10 year old how to add 5+5. Some random beuracrat somewhere decided that you need a graudate degree, certs, and licenses though. It's like the taxi medallion system in NYC. Any fool can drive a cab except for the $100k license some corrupt fuck decided to require.

You're not a highly skilled professional in limited supply. You're a fool with a taxi medallion.
 
Teachers here earn less money than a refinery worker with a GED. so yes they are very under paid. the reason why some teachers are bad is their crappy pay which is about 800 bucks a week after taxes.
 
Teachers in my state make around what a Quick Trip employee makes.. We're actually losing a lot of quality educators to other states. TS is a tard
Do teachers even matter though?

Every high school student nowadays has instant communication with any leading expert or billionaire on the planet. I've e-mailed billionaires and gotten responses. They all have access to free video classes from the leading teachers and experts in every field. They have free access to all literature from human history, every scientific and academic journal ever published, drafts of every scientific and academic journal article about to be published, free instant Star Trek translation between every language in human history even hieroglyphics and dead languages, and all knowledge from all human history.

Those are some pretty crazy resources. All the money in the world couldn't have bought you a fraction of that in 1995. Yet, I bet a 1995 normal school outperforms a 2017 inner city school. I'm convinced you could fund an inner city school at $1,000,000 a student with the best teachers in the world --- and it wouldn't make a difference.

At some point, you're going to be able to plug your brain in directly and learn stuff like they learn Kung Fu in the matrix. And some part of society will still manage to fail. And they will still be blaming teachers, resources, etc.
 
Id say modern educations real life applications are fleeting at best for most.

I dont think teachers are underpaid or overpaid. Very few have a passion for their work and are just there for a paycheck. I dont blame them.

Teachers go to school, attend university aka school theeennnn they proceed to go back to school......again. they have never done anything else too compare their job too.

I could not deal with smartass kids so kudos to them.
 
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its because they generally have "better" students. smaller class sizes. so theyre willing to take the pay cut.

of which you may have been aware.

It seems hard to prove that they wouldn't take public teaching jobs for X compensation but they would private teaching jobs.

As I said, I'm sympathetic to teachers because they are vestiges of the middle class. But there's no reason they should receive WAY more pay (when you take pensions into consideration) than private sector workers.
 
It seems hard to prove that they wouldn't take public teaching jobs for X compensation but they would private teaching jobs.

As I said, I'm sympathetic to teachers because they are vestiges of the middle class. But there's no reason they should receive WAY more pay (when you take pensions into consideration) than private sector workers.

yea in most states i think teacher pay is fair. but there are some states where it is terribly inadequate. and then in a few states theyre probably paid more than they should be.
 
Do teachers even matter though?

Every high school student nowadays has instant communication with any leading expert or billionaire on the planet. I've e-mailed billionaires and gotten responses. They all have access to free video classes from the leading teachers and experts in every field. They have free access to all literature from human history, every scientific and academic journal ever published, drafts of every scientific and academic journal article about to be published, free instant Star Trek translation between every language in human history even hieroglyphics and dead languages, and all knowledge from all human history.

Those are some pretty crazy resources. All the money in the world couldn't have bought you a fraction of that in 1995. Yet, I bet a 1995 normal school outperforms a 2017 inner city school. I'm convinced you could fund an inner city school at $1,000,000 a student with the best teachers in the world --- and it wouldn't make a difference.

At some point, you're going to be able to plug your brain in directly and learn stuff like they learn Kung Fu in the matrix. And some part of society will still manage to fail. And they will still be blaming teachers, resources, etc.

wtf

are you going to teach yourself how to read? or are you specifically talking about high school teachers?

in high school, one is supposed to learn how to think, not what to think. youre developing your filter. so when you tap in to that amazing resource of the internet, it makes you smarter, rather than dumber.

but at some point youre right....there will be a major revolution in education. we arent there yet, though.
 
wtf

are you going to teach yourself how to read? or are you specifically talking about high school teachers?

in high school, one is supposed to learn how to think, not what to think. youre developing your filter. so when you tap in to that amazing resource of the internet, it makes you smarter, rather than dumber.

but at some point youre right....there will be a major revolution in education. we arent there yet, though.
Isn't learning how to think the same as learning what to think?
 
And there's the hole in your argument. What degrees you had to get have nothing to do with how much money you make. Teachers assume that because they load up on master's degrees, teaching certifications, and teaching licenses that they deserve to make good money. Nope.

Any random fool can teach a 10 year old how to add 5+5. Some random beuracrat somewhere decided that you need a graudate degree, certs, and licenses though. It's like the taxi medallion system in NYC. Any fool can drive a cab except for the $100k license some corrupt fuck decided to require.

You're not a highly skilled professional in limited supply. You're a fool with a taxi medallion.

I'd love to see you deal with a room full of 26 10 year-olds, half of whom have ADHD or some other such "learning disability," half of whom are from broken families, and a bunch of whom probably don't speak English.

I'd love to see you just keep order and wipe noses. Without yelling, without losing your temper, without throwing shit against a wall. And teach math on top of that? Lawdy, if you think just anyone can do that, you are sadly mistaken. I know I would probably jump off a bridge after about a week.

Secondly, it's not a teacher's fault that bureaucrats have decided they need master's degrees. I don't think a master's degree necessarily makes someone a better teacher. The only reason I posted this was to respond to the misconception that it's a "low bar of entry into the profession." Ah, no. How many jobs with a 40k starting salary require a masters degree?
 
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