International Syria Conflict: Bombs away boys. (Israel openly admits to bombing Iranian bases in Syria)

[PrinceOfPain]

I remember you from way back. You've got a hard-on for the Turks, don't you?
And you live in perpetual denial of reality as I recall.

How so given assad was isis best customer?

And why was Assad Isis' best customer?
Because he has a country to run, lights to keep on, a humanitarian crisis that requires hospitals, and a military crisis that requires operational vehicles. He needed and needs oil. They captured his only oilfields (which they might not have been able to do, were it not for Western assistance to anti-government forces) and so he was left with no recourse.

Honestly, even the hack journalists that try to make this point generally go on to concede that Assad has actually been fighting Isis.

Would you rather he didn't buy oil from them?
Do you have any idea the scale of the humanitarian crisis that Syria would become were it to knowingly deprive itself of energy? The suffering would be absurd.

The rebels and kurds have fought isis way longer amd more effectively than the regime and assad attacks them.....by your logic wouldnt assad attacking rebels and kurds be helping isis more?

Do you know what the word "rebels" means?

No, attacking enemies that he is forced to face (and who, in some cases, also happen to be enemies of ISIS) is not the same as what the US does.
Assad is having to make difficult choices about immediate problems that he cannot avoid.
The US is going out of its way to unjustifiably dick around in someone else's country, and in so doing has created more confusion, helped to arm ISIS and further threatened the already failed stability of the Syrian state. At the end of the day, the best defense against groups like ISIS is regional sovereign stability.
Sponsoring anti-government forces, attempting to overthrow the legitimate government and arming groups of people with uncertain loyalties and hostilities, is a definite aid to terrorism - ie. US foreign policy 101.

Also break dowm how destroying his chemical weapons helps isis given hes never used them vs isis just civillians?

How about you explain how attacking the legitimate government for unproven crimes, without evidence does anything but offer a helping hand to illegitimate actors in the region?
Doesn't matter who's fighting Isis, if you make sure that there's a big, chaotic state for them to continue hiding in and fighting from.

And of course the plain and simple fact that the u.s was the major force in destroying isis too lets not forget .....you're welcome

Just lol.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Name a.country that hasnt warmongered or supprted tyrants? Any in Europe? Russia? China?

Name a country that's waged war as consistently as America. Name a country that's unilaterally caused as much damage and loss of life as America. Name a country that has helped to spread fire and bloodshed as far as America has.

America is great at a lot of things (some of them are even good things) but it's when it comes to barbarism, brutality and hypocrisy that you really shine.

 

[whougonnacall]

Name a country that's waged war as consistently as America. Name a country that's unilaterally caused as much damage and loss of life as America. Name a country that has helped to spread fire and bloodshed as far as America has.

America is great at a lot of things (some of them are even good things) but it's when it comes to barbarism, brutality and hypocrisy that you really shine.

Ancient rome ,the mongols ,shit most european nations ,russia
The bottom.line is we are talking here and now in this particular country

 

[mcveteran81]

Syrian anti-aircraft batteries responding to massive aerial attack in Damascus – believed to be Israeli warplanes carrying out strike

Link Source (JewNews) : https://www.jewsnews.co.il/2018/04/...be-israeli-warplanes-carrying-out-strike.html

SYRIA’S air-defences have been firing at “unidentified objects” over Damascus in what is believed to be an Israel airstrike, it has been reported.



Local reporter Ibrahim Joudeh took to Twitter and posted a video of the missiles being shot at in the sky.

He said: “Video shows Missile launched against unknown Target in Far East Damascus countryside.”

According to local reports, seven missiles were launched after “unknown warplanes” entered Syrian airspace from Lebanon.

A military sourced added that the Syrian military believes Israeli warplanes were responsible for raising alert levels and provoking a response.
Mr Joudeh added shortly after that “another air defence missile was just launched”.

It is currently unclear what the airstrike was targeting, but initial reports claim the raid is aimed at the T4 base.

A number of reporters have said there are “Israeli warplanes” carrying out the attack which have “crossed the borders through Lebanon”.

Syria state television has confirmed its air defences are repelling attacks in the country’s Homs region.

 

[mcveteran81]

 

[mcveteran81]

Unbelievable cadres: The Russian Army entered the last stronghold of militants in Gut - the reaction of residents

 

[whougonnacall]

I remember you from way back. You've got a hard-on for the Turks, don't you?
And you live in perpetual denial of reality as I recall.



-And why was Assad Isis' best customer?
Because he has a country to run, lights to keep on, a humanitarian crisis that requires hospitals, and a military crisis that requires operational vehicles. He needed and needs oil. They captured his only oilfields (which they might not have been able to do, were it not for Western assistance to anti-government forces) and so he was left with no recourse.

-Honestly, even the hack journalists that try to make this point generally go on to concede that Assad has actually been fighting Isis.

Would you rather he didn't buy oil from them?
Do you have any idea the scale of the humanitarian crisis that Syria would become were it to knowingly deprive itself of energy? The suffering would be absurd.




Do you know what the word "rebels" means?
No, attacking enemies that he is forced to face (and who, in some cases, also happen to be enemies of ISIS) is not the same as what the US does.
Assad is having to make difficult choices about immediate problems that he cannot avoid.
The US is going out of its way to unjustifiably dick around in someone else's country, and in so doing has created more confusion, helped to arm ISIS and further threatened the already failed stability of the Syrian state. At the end of the day, the best defense against groups like ISIS is regional sovereign stability.
Sponsoring anti-government forces, attempting to overthrow the legitimate government and arming groups of people with uncertain loyalties and hostilities, is a definite aid to terrorism - ie. US foreign policy 101.



How about you explain how attacking the legitimate government for unproven crimes, without evidence does anything but offer a helping hand to illegitimate actors in the region?
Doesn't matter who's fighting Isis, if you make sure that there's a big, chaotic state for them to continue hiding in and fighting from.




Just lol.

-funny hes never gave a shit before to their suffering and yeah he had 3 backers who are all major opec members

- hed been fighting them but only in past few years before that they had regime-isis peace outside of deir el zour and was their main financial pillar

- the 'hard choice' is hes chosen to fight more moderate forces and democratic forces/protesters/activists over isis to back his claims of ' its me or isis'
All to hold onto a crown hes no right to keep

-we attacked him for warcrimes hes done nothing less and even then weve actively turned a blind eye to soo many others

-lol at the u.s being the main force behind isis destruction....and om the dellusional one? Tell me was it russia? Lol
Assad? Lol
The iraqis? Lol

 

[whougonnacall]

Haha what the actual fuck are you talking about?
The Kurds did not take the capital city. It was the Arab fighters who took their capital city.
Kurds are generally poor fighters and have shown time and time again that without air support, Arabs pulverize them.

Kurds and arabs in a force orgainised ,trained and armed by the u.s and backed with u.s airpower....thank you for manking my point for me

 

[whougonnacall]

You can keep repeating that same nonsense all you want but the reality is isis territory expended with us helping n only when Russians stepped in to help Syrian government did their territory shrink.

N gotta love you making a distinction between “rebels” n isis

Is that how you call the “moderates” now?

They are all Muslim extremist trying to impose salafi type state.

They were slaughtering anybody who wasn’t a salafi like them even other Muslims.

Assad was actually protecting the minorities in Syria, but that doesn’t get reported in your news

Dude no one buys your russian b.s
Isis had been steadily degraded by u.s efforts in iraq and syria whereas russias focus jas been almost 90% on rebels not isis at all
Yeah like the' salfist 'elected democratic councils in ghouta your jihadi iranian hordes heleped to take ...or had you forgot about them?

 

[whougonnacall]

Let’s be clear,
Obama armed the radical jihadists.
Obama allowed them to flourish, where he wanted them.
He knew exactly what he was doing.

So are you really pushing the retarded line that anyone vs assad is a radical jihadi? Lol
If obama wanted assad gone hed be gone....period
U.s forces could remove him in a weekend and russia would be forced to sit and watch given how outmatched they are
Or he coulda let the rebels have stingers/supply them 100% etc etc

 

[tkotom]

Kurds and arabs in a force orgainised ,trained and armed by the u.s and backed with u.s airpower....thank you for manking my point for me

The SAA did it ... with Russians.

 

[jamesmiller14]

Id very much doubt anyone still under him does shit without his ,iran or putins say so

Okay. Well since you doubt it...

 

[bobgeese]

So are you rellat pushing the retarder line that anyone vs assad is a radical jihadi? Lol
/QUOTE]


No of course not.


That doesn’t change the fact that obama armed radical jihadists.

 

[mcveteran81]

 

[whougonnacall]

Which ones exactly

 

[whougonnacall]

Okay. Well since you doubt it...

Well id say its safe to assume any general without enough clout within the regime etc acting outside of orders goes to one of the torture complexes no?

 

[whougonnacall]

The SAA did it ... with Russians.

The saa? Did they time travel from a time they were an actual thing lol

If you meant regime milita forces with russian mercs (or target practice as the usaf calls them) they took deir el zour softened up with kurd /sdf advances and years of precision us air
Not raqqua

 

[bobgeese]

Which ones exactly

I’m assuming this was to me? I got an alert to this post. Here are some notes from a previous post. She said is referring to tulsi gabbord calling out obama on arming them.


From WP

The areas receiving this aid are carefully selected, U.S. officials said, noting that extremist groups, including Jabhat al-Nusra, are delivering services to communities newly under rebel control.



“If you see new firetrucks and ambulances in places where al-Nusra is trying to win hearts and minds, this might not be a coincidence,” said a U.S. official


.....

Former U.S. Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford, who had been supporting an aggressive program of arming opposition brigades that had been approved by the CIA, told a January 2015 seminar in Washington, “For a long time we have looked the other way while the Nusra Front and armed groups on the ground, some of which are getting help from us, have coordinated in military operations against the regime.

.......



John Kerry "If they're not serious (Russia), we'll help the opposition more."


Its as simple as looking into who these groups are. Some dissolved altogether, some aligned themselves in non aggression pacts with Isis (SRF,FSA), some simply joined alongside or were them (alNusra).



[2] Mona Alami, “Syrian rebels pledge loyalty to al-Qaeda,” USA Today, April 11, 2013; Ruth Sherlock, “Syrian rebels armed and trained by US surrender to al-Qaeda,” Telegraph, November 2, 2014.


[3] “Pentagon confirms US-trained Syria rebels gave weapons to al-Nusra,” Middle East Eye, May 26, 2015;


[4] Nabih Bulos, “US-trained Syrian rebels say they won’t fight al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra,” Telegraph, August 5, 2015.




New York Times, “With the proviso that the Nusra Front, Al Qaeda’s branch in Syria, can still be bombed, Russia puts the United States in a difficult position; the insurgent groups it supports cooperate in some places with the well-armed, well-financed Nusra


At least since 2014 the Obama administration has armed a number of Syrian rebel groups even though it knew the groups were coordinating closely with the Nusra Front, which was simultaneously getting arms from Turkey and Qatar. The strategy called for supplying TOW anti-tank missiles to the “Syrian Revolutionaries Front” (SRF) as the core of a client Syrian army that would be independent of the Nusra Front.


However, when a combined force of Nusra and non-jihadist brigades including the SRF captured the Syrian army base at Wadi al-Deif in December 2014, the truth began to emerge. The SRF and other groups to which the United States had supplied TOW missiles had fought under Nusra’s command to capture the base.


And as one of the SRF fighters who participated in the operation, Abu Kumayt, recalled to The New York Times, after the victory only Nusra and its very close ally Ahrar al-Sham were allowed to enter the base.




”





Again, this is just a smidgen of the available evidence out there that obama knew that arms were endings up in the hands of AQ and Isis. I'm not going to write you a book on the Mid East conflict. I don't really care if you admit it, or continue to cover your ears and make excuses. Our arms ended up in their hands, period.


For the 10th time. A fucking sitting democrat congresswoman called him out on it, specifically stating arming both AQ and Isis.


#145


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Oh sure, they didn't know. Please...


Except the ambassador to Syria in my post who directly states they looked the other way.


How about after Tulsi alerted them?



You're defending the administration that said Benghazi was a response to an Internet video, that they found out about numerous things "on the news", and on and on.


Obama is not incompetent. He knew exactly what he was doing. You act as if the motherfucker was honest Abe.




Here's another example of the fantasy painted by western media.





Image: If Major Yaser Abdulrahim looks like he's never wore his FSA uniform out into the field, that's because he hasn't. He is not a member of the FSA at all, and is instead a commander of the Fatah Halab, an umbrella group for Al Qaeda affiliates armed and funded by both the US and Saudi Arabia.




In a recent video report published by the BBC titled, "Syria conflict: Rebels 'feel abandoned' by Britain and US," BBC's Quentin Sommerville claims he "secretly" contacted US-backed rebels from Turkey. The alleged "remote" interview was covered in both locations by professional camera crews, despite Sommerville claiming the situation was so bad, the rebels could not be reached. The "senior rebel commander inside Aleppo" interviewed by the BBC was none other than Yaser Abdulrahim,




Image: Faylaq Al-Sham's flag is clearly seen in the video of the BBC's fake FSA commander when out in the field. Yaser Abdulrahim is seen out among other terrorists, missing his crisp, brand new FSA uniform and devoid of any FSA insignia.


Despite appearing in a brand new, crisp "Free Syrian Army" uniform never worn once into the field, and sitting beside an equally pristine "Free Syrian Army" French colonial flag, Yaser Abdulrahim has absolutely no affiliations with the "Free Syrian Army."



Instead, he is a commander of Faylaq Al-Sham, composed of Al Qaeda terrorists and Muslim Brotherhood extremists. Faylaq Al-Sham and its commander Yaser Abdulrahim, according to Sommerville himself, are part of the larger Fatah Halab umbrella group which also includes Al Qaeda affiliates Ahrar ash-Sham and Jaysh al-Islam - the latter of which literally placed civilians in metal cages on rooftops to use as human shields against Syrian-Russian airstrikes.







The Agenda of Corporate Media Is Regime Change in Syria - UN Press Conf Goes off Script









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I can go on and on and on.


#149

Last edited: Sep 5, 2017

bobgeese, Sep 5, 2017



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You act as if I'm making the claim. Tulsi gabbard is making the claim, the ambassador to Syria is making the claim, countless Islamic fighters make the claim, the institute for the study of war is making the claim, etc, etc. Don't blame me for bringing them to your attention.

 

[whougonnacall]

I’m assuming this was to me? I got an alert to this post. Here are some notes from a previous post. She said is referring to tulsi gabbord calling out obama on arming them.


From WP

The areas receiving this aid are carefully selected, U.S. officials said, noting that extremist groups, including Jabhat al-Nusra, are delivering services to communities newly under rebel control.



“If you see new firetrucks and ambulances in places where al-Nusra is trying to win hearts and minds, this might not be a coincidence,” said a U.S. official


.....

Former U.S. Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford, who had been supporting an aggressive program of arming opposition brigades that had been approved by the CIA, told a January 2015 seminar in Washington, “For a long time we have looked the other way while the Nusra Front and armed groups on the ground, some of which are getting help from us, have coordinated in military operations against the regime.

.......



John Kerry "If they're not serious (Russia), we'll help the opposition more."


Its as simple as looking into who these groups are. Some dissolved altogether, some aligned themselves in non aggression pacts with Isis (SRF,FSA), some simply joined alongside or were them (alNusra).



[2] Mona Alami, “Syrian rebels pledge loyalty to al-Qaeda,” USA Today, April 11, 2013; Ruth Sherlock, “Syrian rebels armed and trained by US surrender to al-Qaeda,” Telegraph, November 2, 2014.


[3] “Pentagon confirms US-trained Syria rebels gave weapons to al-Nusra,” Middle East Eye, May 26, 2015;


[4] Nabih Bulos, “US-trained Syrian rebels say they won’t fight al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra,” Telegraph, August 5, 2015.




New York Times, “With the proviso that the Nusra Front, Al Qaeda’s branch in Syria, can still be bombed, Russia puts the United States in a difficult position; the insurgent groups it supports cooperate in some places with the well-armed, well-financed Nusra


At least since 2014 the Obama administration has armed a number of Syrian rebel groups even though it knew the groups were coordinating closely with the Nusra Front, which was simultaneously getting arms from Turkey and Qatar. The strategy called for supplying TOW anti-tank missiles to the “Syrian Revolutionaries Front” (SRF) as the core of a client Syrian army that would be independent of the Nusra Front.


However, when a combined force of Nusra and non-jihadist brigades including the SRF captured the Syrian army base at Wadi al-Deif in December 2014, the truth began to emerge. The SRF and other groups to which the United States had supplied TOW missiles had fought under Nusra’s command to capture the base.


And as one of the SRF fighters who participated in the operation, Abu Kumayt, recalled to The New York Times, after the victory only Nusra and its very close ally Ahrar al-Sham were allowed to enter the base.




”





Again, this is just a smidgen of the available evidence out there that obama knew that arms were endings up in the hands of AQ and Isis. I'm not going to write you a book on the Mid East conflict. I don't really care if you admit it, or continue to cover your ears and make excuses. Our arms ended up in their hands, period.


For the 10th time. A fucking sitting democrat congresswoman called him out on it, specifically stating arming both AQ and Isis.


#145


...



Oh sure, they didn't know. Please...


Except the ambassador to Syria in my post who directly states they looked the other way.


How about after Tulsi alerted them?



You're defending the administration that said Benghazi was a response to an Internet video, that they found out about numerous things "on the news", and on and on.


Obama is not incompetent. He knew exactly what he was doing. You act as if the motherfucker was honest Abe.




Here's another example of the fantasy painted by western media.





Image: If Major Yaser Abdulrahim looks like he's never wore his FSA uniform out into the field, that's because he hasn't. He is not a member of the FSA at all, and is instead a commander of the Fatah Halab, an umbrella group for Al Qaeda affiliates armed and funded by both the US and Saudi Arabia.




In a recent video report published by the BBC titled, "Syria conflict: Rebels 'feel abandoned' by Britain and US," BBC's Quentin Sommerville claims he "secretly" contacted US-backed rebels from Turkey. The alleged "remote" interview was covered in both locations by professional camera crews, despite Sommerville claiming the situation was so bad, the rebels could not be reached. The "senior rebel commander inside Aleppo" interviewed by the BBC was none other than Yaser Abdulrahim,




Image: Faylaq Al-Sham's flag is clearly seen in the video of the BBC's fake FSA commander when out in the field. Yaser Abdulrahim is seen out among other terrorists, missing his crisp, brand new FSA uniform and devoid of any FSA insignia.


Despite appearing in a brand new, crisp "Free Syrian Army" uniform never worn once into the field, and sitting beside an equally pristine "Free Syrian Army" French colonial flag, Yaser Abdulrahim has absolutely no affiliations with the "Free Syrian Army."



Instead, he is a commander of Faylaq Al-Sham, composed of Al Qaeda terrorists and Muslim Brotherhood extremists. Faylaq Al-Sham and its commander Yaser Abdulrahim, according to Sommerville himself, are part of the larger Fatah Halab umbrella group which also includes Al Qaeda affiliates Ahrar ash-Sham and Jaysh al-Islam - the latter of which literally placed civilians in metal cages on rooftops to use as human shields against Syrian-Russian airstrikes.







The Agenda of Corporate Media Is Regime Change in Syria - UN Press Conf Goes off Script









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I can go on and on and on.


#149

Last edited: Sep 5, 2017

bobgeese, Sep 5, 2017



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You act as if I'm making the claim. Tulsi gabbard is making the claim, the ambassador to Syria is making the claim, countless Islamic fighters make the claim, the institute for the study of war is making the claim, etc, etc. Don't blame me for bringing them to your attention.

Dude you have a mix here of b.s artists(veterans today and tulsi) and solid people to quote, some say we supply direct (untrue) others say rebels we supply work alongside nursra (true)
None of ehich proves we armed the more radical jihaidis directly
Facts are though we have targetted directly isis and nursra while backing the most moderate of rebels directly
Fact is russia and iran have not only backed a genocidal regime but terrorist listed groups/militas ...jeez hezbollah is virtually their go to milita now !

 

[bobgeese]

Dude you have a mix here of b.s artists(veterans today and tulsi) and solid people to quote, some say we supply direct (untrue) others say rebels we supply work alongside nursra (true)

Oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t realize you were more informed than a sitting congresswoman...