Synthetic Weed 85 times more potent than THC made with rat poison is spreading across the country

[Arkain2K]

A blast from the past:

'Fake pot' causing zombielike effects is 85 times more potent than marijuana
By Susan Scutti, CNN | December 16, 2016​

(CNN) When dozens of people collapsed on a Brooklyn sidewalk over an 11-hour period on July 12, first responders immediately suspected "spice," a synthetic cannabinoid sold in shiny packages and forever one step ahead of the law.

An analysis published this week in The New England Journal of Medicineconfirmed suspicions and revealed that the "fake pot," which prompted bystanders to describe the scene in Bedford-Stuyvesant as "zombielike," was 85 times more potent than marijuana.

To learn what had caused this "zombie outbreak," Roy Gerona, an assistant professor in the clinical toxicology and environmental biomonitoring laboratory at the University of California, San Francisco School of Medicine, needed samples. He immediately contacted the New York Police Department, emergency services and various city hospitals, but no one spent more than a New York minute turning him down.

After he made a crucial call to a friend in the Drug Enforcement Administration, a shiny package found at the scene and labeled "AK-47 24 Karat Gold," along with blood and urine samples from eight patients, promptly arrived in the UCSF lab.

Gerona and his colleagues set to work analyzing these samples.


Read the rest at:
https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/16/health/zombie-synthetic-marijuana/index.html

 

[VivaRevolution]

I have a question for any sherdog lawyers. If weed is federally legalized, and a doctor has recommended you use weed for some ailment, would employers still be able to fire you for weed?

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

For some reason the fake weed scares me more than crank.

 

[Rod1]

I have a question for any sherdog lawyers. If weed is federally legalized, and a doctor has recommended you use weed for some ailment, would employers still be able to fire you for weed?

Probably in most red states.

 

[Rod1]

Was this the manufacturer?

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I have a question for any sherdog lawyers. If weed is federally legalized, and a doctor has recommended you use weed for some ailment, would employers still be able to fire you for weed?

Is there already federal law saying you can't fire someone for the medications they take?

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

This thread goes a long way of showing that opinions on weed are still a touch antiquated,

A majority of American's "reefer madness" is even more perplexing given the cultural fetish and cult around alcohol.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Is there already federal law saying you can't fire someone for the medications they take?

You would think so, but either that law doesn't exist, or it is its illegal federal status that is keeping it from being so, is my guess.

Not sure which tbh.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Probably in most red states.

I don't think there is a state in the US where you can't be fired for medical marijuana use.

If there was, it would be a a magnet for free agents in pro sports, as they could smoke weed despite nfl, nba, mlb, nhl rules.

 

[Rod1]

I don't think there is a state in the US where you can't be fired for medical marijuana use.

If there was, it would be a a magnet for free agents in pro sports, as they could smoke weed despite nfl, nba, mlb, nhl rules.

I thought we were talking about a hypothetical in which MJ was not banned federally.

 

[jimbob27]

For some reason the fake weed scares me more than crank.

It should do.

These substances are called synthetic cannabis because they simulate cannabinoids. Endocannabinoids are substances which occur naturally in your body, and bond to specially shaped cannabinoid receptors you have in your brain. They're called "canna" because they were first discovered in cannabis, the ones that form naturally in your body were discovered later.

When you smoke weed, the cannabinoid molecules bond to the receptors, and make you feel sleepy in a very similar way to the ones your body produces. When you sleep, your body clears out the receptors and you wake up pretty much sober because your body can clear out the cannabinoids that come from the plant just as easily as it can the ones that occur naturally in your body.

Even if you take a massive dose of oil / shatter or whatever you want to call it, as long as it's made from cannabis plants, it's just going to make you very sleepy very quickly, but you'll sober up quickly because your body can deal with the plant molecules.

Synthetic weed mimics the side of the molecule which bonds to the endocannabinoid receptors. The reason it's dangerous, is because the other side of the molecule can be literally anything. Rat poison, drain cleaner, whatever the fuck the Chinese Walter White decides to give you. It can be molecules with chemical bonds your body can't break down, so once they bond with the receptors in your brain they're stuck there forever.

These substances only exist because of toxic government policy. People wouldn't be ruining their lives with them if it were legal to grow a relatively harmless plant.

 

[TSO]

Get too high and you go to sleep.

That's me after on puff of any strength.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

It should do.

These substances are called synthetic cannabis because they simulate cannabinoids. Endocannabinoids are substances which occur naturally in your body, and bond to specially shaped cannabinoid receptors you have in your brain. They're called "canna" because they were first discovered in cannabis, the ones that form naturally in your body were discovered later.

When you smoke weed, the cannabinoid molecules bond to the receptors, and make you feel sleepy in a very similar way to the ones your body produces. When you sleep, your body clears out the receptors and you wake up pretty much sober because your body can clear out the cannabinoids that come from the plant just as easily as it can the ones that occur naturally in your body.

Even if you take a massive dose of oil / shatter or whatever you want to call it, as long as it's made from cannabis plants, it's just going to make you very sleepy very quickly, but you'll sober up quickly because your body can deal with the plant molecules.

Synthetic weed mimics the side of the molecule which bonds to the endocannabinoid receptors. The reason it's dangerous, is because the other side of the molecule can be literally anything. Rat poison, drain cleaner, whatever the fuck the Chinese Walter White decides to give you. It can be molecules with chemical bonds your body can't break down, so once they bond with the receptors in your brain they're stuck there forever.

These substances only exist because of toxic government policy. People wouldn't be ruining their lives with them if it were legal to grow a relatively harmless plant.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

For some reason the fake weed scares me more than crank.

I used to love coke and still love my LSD. It's like the worst of both two combined. Tried it once years ago when it popped on the scene and like everyone thought "hey legal weed!"

Nope fuckkk that was using a dog brush on the carpet for hours while having a panic attack. Never again.

 

[Andy Capp]

I can almost guarantee you that they're not smoking synthetic weed for the "stronger high". They have strains out there that will put you on your ass in a hot minute, not even getting into shatter which can reach close to 100% THC extraction. Weed isn't like cocaine or heroin, there's no dragon to chase. Get too high and you go to sleep.

Well, in my case, at least, first I puke, then I sleep. It's great for your appetite the next day, mind.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

Never understood why people go synthetic, does it not get detected on tests or something?
Cheaper?

yes, that's why (testing) there is a test for it but it's mad expensive apparently

When spice/K2 first came out it was VERY popular in the military for that reason. I knew literally hundreds of cats that did it in Germany, despite it also being illegal in that country (dudes ordered from the UK by internet)

 

[HunterSdVa29]

Is there already federal law saying you can't fire someone for the medications they take?

from this years MCCS policy memo for my base on this exact issue:
1. Purpose . On 8 November 2016, the state of California approved Proposition

64, which is also known as the Adult Use of Marijuana Act (AUMA) . Among other

items, the act legalized possession and use of up to one ounce of marijuana and

personal use cultivation up to six plants per residence by adults 21 and over .

The AUMA takes effect 1 January 2018 , but it does not j ustify violation of

Federal Law.

2. Information . The Federal Government regulates drugs through the Controlled

Substances Act (CSA), reference (a), which does not recognize the difference

between medical and recreational use of marijuana. Under Federal Law,

marijuana is classified as a Scheduled I drug and Schedule I drugs, substances,

or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a

high potential for abuse.

Reference (c), Drug-Free Federal Workplace, mandates that (A) Federal

employees are required to refrain from the use of illegal drugs; (B) the use of

illegal drugs by Federal Employees, whether on or off duty, is contrary to the

efficiency of the service; and (C) individuals who use illegal drugs are not

suitable for Federal Employment.

 

[Arkain2K]

I used to love coke and still love my LSD. It's like the worst of both two combined. Tried it once years ago when it popped on the scene and like everyone thought "hey legal weed!"

Nope fuckkk that was using a dog brush on the carpet for hours while having a panic attack. Never again.

The things people would do for a nice and clean carpet...

 

[Bamboozled]

thats some good shit man

puff it up lets roll

 

[waiguoren]

CHICAGO — The U.S. Attorney’s Office today charged three individuals with federal drug offenses for allegedly conspiring to sell synthetic cannabinoids at a Chicago convenience store.

FOUAD MASOUD, JAMIL ABDELRAHMAN JAD ALLAH, and ADIL KHAN MOHAMMED conspired to sell the synthetic cannabinoids, known as “K2,” at King Mini Mart in the North Lawndale neighborhood of Chicago, according to a criminal complaint and affidavit filed in federal court in Chicago. Multiple people recently experienced adverse symptoms, including unusual bleeding, after using synthetic cannabinoids obtained from the store, the complaint states. Some of these individuals recently sought treatment in Chicago-area emergency rooms, the complaint states.

The three defendants were arrested Sunday. The complaint charges Masoud, 48, of Justice, Jad Allah, 44, of Justice, and Mohammed, 44, of Chicago, with conspiracy to knowingly and intentionally possess with intent to distribute, and to distribute, a controlled substance.

According to the charges, the three defendants worked at King Mini Mart, located in the 1300 block of South Kedzie Avenue in Chicago. Last week, undercover law enforcement officers purchased K2 from Jad Allah and Mohammed inside the store, the complaint states. The synthetic cannabinoids were packaged in sealed containers and labeled with such names as “Matrix,” “Blue Giant,” and “Crazy Monkey,” according to the charges. Preliminary testing of some of the cannabinoids purchased by the undercover officer revealed a detectable amount of brodifacoum, a toxic substance frequently used in rat poison, the complaint states.