Striking - progress thread

[ZroC]

How much do you weigh?

I've always been a bit puzzled by hand speed guys like Ward/loma are fairly slow, in terms of being elite boxers, on the bag and on mitts but in a fight are every bit as fast or faster than their opponents. The there's guys who are speed demons on the mitts and it doesn't translate to anything outside of it.

6"4 170

Do you mean Andre Ward and Lomanchenko? They're more about timing than speed which typically creates the illusion of speed. But Ward and Loma aren't fast in the tradtional sense ... at least in the sense of this discussion. So they're more likely to look fast when using their superior sense of timing on a living opponent than they would on an inanimate bag. (granted I haven't watched Loma fight in ages)

Good speed is about fast movement, good timing is about knowing that your fist is going to be at such and such a point when such and such a thing happens. I think of it as two men racing through a maze, one man can only walk but he knows the correct route, where as the other man can run but he doesn't know the way. There's really no guarantee on who will get out first. I think it stems into the different mindsets of fighters who like to study/plan and fighters who like to just go with it. People who are naturally more athletically gifted tend to be impatinet when it comes to teaching. They tend to want to use their athletic edge as the advantage and often over look timing ... because generally, through most of their careers they don't need it until they do.

 

[Sano]

Okay I'm going to go full sherlock here.

This video doesn't look sped up no, just looks like a really low framerate, but it's hard to tell.


The low framerate video is definitely not 100 punches in 10 seconds either, as per the description. Slow it down and count, although it's harder because of the blur, I counted 71 from 0:02-0:12. Which is still incredibly fast, but it's not 100.

This video however looks/is sped up:


What gives it away is not the punches themselves but your body. Let's say for arguments sake it wasn't sped up, it's still not 70 punches. You asked how to slow it down, you can just use the settings option on the youtube video itself and slow it down to 0.25 speed. From 0:00-0:10, it's about 55 punches, from 0:04-0:14, it's about the same. Both are 10 second intervals.

The first video you posted is also weird:


First of all, you have blurred the name of the gym, which I understand if you want to keep it private. However the vid has been through some editing by that account alone.

The part from 0:22-0:26 definitely looks sped up as well. Like some parts of the vid are and some not, but it's hard to tell.

Another weird thing is the sound. You can hear the background noises very clearly, almost like they've been interjected, but you can't hear your breathing or movements at all, no matter the volume.

Lastly if you notice at the clock in the back. The video itself is 1 minute and 12 seconds long, but if you look at the first few seconds and go to the last few of the video, and keep your eyes on the minute timer on the clock, it looks like it has moved about 3-4 minutes. There is just something very strange about that video.

Even if it's just an odd video and I'm over analyzing here, why would you post a 9 month old video for critique? If you have been in the boxing gym regularly twice a week since then, woudn't it be pretty useless by now?

I'm not going to go further into the whole bedridden sciatica thing. I'm glad that you overcame the injury you had.

In regards to your ability to strenghten your knee, maybe you should see a physiotherapist and let them screen you.

 

[AndyMaBobs]

Okay I'm going to go full sherlock here.

This video doesn't look sped up no, just looks like a really low framerate, but it's hard to tell.


The low framerate video is definitely not 100 punches in 10 seconds either, as per the description. Slow it down and count, although it's harder because of the blur, I counted 71 from 0:02-0:12. Which is still incredibly fast, but it's not 100.

This video however looks/is sped up:


What gives it away is not the punches themselves but your body. Let's say for arguments sake it wasn't sped up, it's still not 70 punches. You asked how to slow it down, you can just use the settings option on the youtube video itself and slow it down to 0.25 speed. From 0:00-0:10, it's about 55 punches, from 0:04-0:14, it's about the same. Both are 10 second intervals.

The first video you posted is also weird:


First of all, you have blurred the name of the gym, which I understand if you want to keep it private. However the vid has been through some editing by that account alone.

The part from 0:22-0:26 definitely looks sped up as well. Like some parts of the vid are and some not, but it's hard to tell.

Another weird thing is the sound. You can hear the background noises very clearly, almost like they've been interjected, but you can't hear your breathing or movements at all, no matter the volume.

Lastly if you notice at the clock in the back. The video itself is 1 minute and 12 seconds long, but if you look at the first few seconds and go to the last few of the video, and keep your eyes on the minute timer on the clock, it looks like it has moved about 3-4 minutes. There is just something very strange about that video.

Even if it's just an odd video and I'm over analyzing here, why would you post a 9 month old video for critique? If you have been in the boxing gym regularly twice a week since then, woudn't it be pretty useless by now?

I'm not going to go further into the whole bedridden sciatica thing. I'm glad that you overcame the injury you had.

In regards to your ability to strenghten your knee, maybe you should see a physiotherapist and let them screen you.

You're not wrong at all. Partly because a camera with that grainy a video quality, almost invariably will record the sound of the inner mechanations of the camera. There SHOULD be a buzz, but there isn't, and unless the OP brought a high quality microphone, the camera wouldn't be able to record sound of that quality.

C'mon OP, what's going on here I'm a loser that makes tiny no budget shorts with friends, so I know something's up

 

[ZroC]

I don't record myself often and my kicks look pretty much the same since then. I can't seem to do anything with them due to the hamstring issue. It's winter now but I'll probably try line up another one outside somewhere. The sound quality is probably just weird because of the position of the camera, I'm in the center of the ring while the camera is in the corner and closer to the people training on the floor behind. I don't really breathe into my punches anyway. Just something I've never been able to get the grasp of.

They were trimmed for instagram but that's really it. Basically it's the same 13 mp camera for all of them. The reason I gather the motion blur is covering one is because those are straight 1-2 punches that overlap, the other vid features a series of combos so the punches don't overlap too much.Had I been doing 1-2 punches in that there would likely be more motion blur.

Okay counting the punches up to the 13 second mark of a 14 second vid it's roughly 70 slowed down. As some form of proof if the original video was sped up I doubt the the slow down would be as clear as I see it here, even on youtubes shitty slow down tool. I want to merge the slowed video into the end of the vid but I don't know how.

slowed down 8x


heavybag slowed down 4x

 

[ZroC]

K so I've managed to figure out how to merge 2 vids into one, but I can't figue out how to replace the vids I have up with these new ones.

roughly 70 punches with original then slowed down


Heavybag with original and slow down after. I count 39 punches in 13 seconds, so considering the slow down brought about by pauses and added weight into the punches 100 straights in 10 seconds is easily doable.

 

[ZroC]

You are straight out of a Blaxploitation Kung Fu flick from the 70s.

My typical style of dress is either a luminous tracksuit top with tight fitting tracksuit bottoms or a sleaveless lakers vest from 2006. I shit you not.

 

[j123]

As someone that works with film editing software pretty much every day... yes I can tell that clip is sped up.

That being put aside, I'm with Sinister on most of the advice. I was wheelchair bound for most of my childhood so its good to see more people overcoming their medical conditions and getting in there and doing it.

I knew it, @AndyMaBobs is a porn director. Should be AndyMaBOOBS

 

[AndyMaBobs]

I knew it, @AndyMaBobs is a porn director. Should be AndyMaBOOBS

I love that it's taken you this long to make that joke

 

[j123]

I love that it's taken you this long to make that joke

I've always read your name as AndyMyBoobs, then I just realized it was Bob; Then you mentioned working in video editing, the chance was too good to pass up

 

[biscuitsbrah]

lol what the fuck is going on in this thread. either way we cant help you my friend

 

[ZroC]

lol what the fuck is going on in this thread. either way we cant help you my friend

as in?

 

[biscuitsbrah]

as in?

Its turned into a thread about arguing the speed of your punches and frame rates of videos lmao..
In the big picture none of that matters at all.

 

[AndyMaBobs]

I've always read your name as AndyMyBoobs, then I just realized it was Bob; Then you mentioned working in video editing, the chance was too good to pass up

It's actually an in joke of a name. Because my name is Andrew Robert, and my Mum calls me Andybob as a nick name... but because I'm a stubborn bastard I used to scold people whenever someone other than my mum called me by the name... so then my fiance started saying AndyMaBob to get around it

 

[cakemuncher]

I am not sure if I like all those spinning backfists thrown after almost every kick in the first vid. I know that throwing kicks while shadow boxing pretty much forces you to spin, but that doesn't mean you have to throw a backfist. In fact, whenever you spin it is clever to keep your hands up as you never know what's waiting for you when you finish the rotation.

I would like to see how you kick a bag.

 

[Brando]

Before you get too snippy, check out this nonsense:



Seeing someone like Salvador Sanchez train, you'd think he was a neophyte. Nah, died an undefeated World Champion. Just sayin'.

What about this Sanchez footage screams "neophyte" to you?

 

[Bay Area]

and this?

 

[Universal Kombat]

TS, so far you've had helpful posters, and people talking crap right off the bat. So please allow me to fall somewhere down the middle.

Personally, before I even begin, I'd like to say we're most likely being trolled. Anyone remember that "rate my body punches" video? This is similar. And to be fair I've thought about trolling on here myself. So let's all keep that in mind. But if you're not trolling... I'll tell you why people are very skeptical.

You have next to zero technique in just about anything you posted. In a forum where typically, the frequenting people who do this, are people who take it seriously as a hobby, your lack of expertise is so much, that people here aren't used to it (except for troll threads) or first day noobs at the gym who would have been corrected instantly the moment they let off on the bag like you did.

Seeing as how most people will only post their videos on here, when at the very least, decently comfortable with the basics, it makes your post seem like a fake one since no one would want to post such silly videos and expect to be taken in a serious manner.

But if you are being serious, really don't expect people on here to care about your barely above average speed, since people with fast twice muscle fibers exist all over the world and speed doesn't make the fighter, timing and skill does for the most part.

Not to mention, I truly believe most people can punch as fast as you did if they also throw technique out the window and focus on hitting fast (like you) instead of focusing on hitting fast, hard, and with technique (which will naturally slow your role).

The board is called stand up technique so, if you want real criticism, first bring some technique to criticise. From these videos, the only thing we can deduce is that you should pick a gym, focus on it, and learn the basics.

But otherwise, good troll.

 

[j123]

Anyone remember that "rate my body punches" video?

Typical Sherdog "MMA Expert" can that doesn't know WTF they're talking about.
That thread was real, the TS in that is a world beater. His body shots makes Canelo look like a day 1 chump. Did you see the beating he put on Bob? Dude shut down and had no answer to the body hooks, he just stood there and ate it like cereal.

 

[Universal Kombat]

Typical Sherdog "MMA Expert" can that doesn't know WTF they're talking about.
That thread was real, the TS in that is a world beater. His body shots makes Canelo look like a day 1 chump. Did you see the beating he put on Bob? Dude shut down and had no answer to the body hooks, he just stood there and ate it like cereal.

I'll have to review it now

EDIT***

Here are the gems I was talking about, this troll is so bad, it's obviously done for comedic purposes, I feel TS here is doing the same thing.

Let me know what you think cheers!

 

[Sinister]

What about this Sanchez footage screams "neophyte" to you?

To ME? Nothing.