Strength Averages

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Hi chaps

I am familiar with the Rippetoe Stength Standards tables but is anyone aware of an MMA or combat sport trainers / coaches that have put together something to indicate what a baseline level of strength would be for a high level MA athlete in the big lifts:
- back squat / front squat
- bench
- DL
- Power Clean

By baseline level of strength I mean a level where if reached the trainer might say "you're strength is good, we'll maintain it and focus on other things" or they might say "you're strength is lacking, let's put some focus on getting your numbers up so you can be more competative".

Any advice specific for combat sport strength would me awesome.

Cheers
 
Hi chaps

I am familiar with the Rippetoe Stength Standards tables but is anyone aware of an MMA or combat sport trainers / coaches that have put together something to indicate what a baseline level of strength would be for a high level MA athlete in the big lifts:
- back squat / front squat
- bench
- DL
- Power Clean

By baseline level of strength I mean a level where if reached the trainer might say "you're strength is good, we'll maintain it and focus on other things" or they might say "you're strength is lacking, let's put some focus on getting your numbers up so you can be more competative".

Any advice specific for combat sport strength would me awesome.

Cheers

if I my answer...

No there isn't a baseline for MA athletes. Because combat sports are weight based gaining weight is a no no.

So getting as strong( and fast) as you possibly can without gaining much weight is the route you want to take.

Now which strength program will help progress these things to happen is open for debate. SS is the consensus best novice program so I would start there if you can't get a tailor made program for yourself and your goals.
 
The answer is no. Everyone is different, on different levels, fights differently, uses different techniques; which different strengths lend themselves to. It may blow your mind that some MMA fighters don't lift at all. So no, there isn't.
 
Not MMA, but wrestling has been keeping track of strength stats of Olympic wrestlers for the past 21 years.
 
1, 1.5, 2 and 2.5 x bw get banded around as base strength levels for the big 4, but really there are so many variables that its impossible to get a good number.
 
The answer is no. Everyone is different, on different levels, fights differently, uses different techniques; which different strengths lend themselves to. It may blow your mind that some MMA fighters don't lift at all. So no, there isn't.

Pretty much this, though it does not blow my mind in the least. You should strength train enough that strength is not an inhibiting factor in your ability to apply your skills.
 

Its not something our team just throws up on the internet. The sports performance team works all day with athletes, it isnt their job to make an internet presence and disseminate info. I have the stats if their is a weight class in particular you would like info on.
 
Its not something our team just throws up on the internet. The sports performance team works all day with athletes, it isnt their job to make an internet presence and disseminate info. I have the stats if their is a weight class in particular you would like info on.

I'd like the stats for the Men's Freestyle team's 60kg class. I'm wrestling either 132 or 138 next year and I'd like to see how my numbers compare to Olympic caliber wrestlers.
 
Its not something our team just throws up on the internet. The sports performance team works all day with athletes, it isnt their job to make an internet presence and disseminate info. I have the stats if their is a weight class in particular you would like info on.

Really interested in this. Would love to know some of the stats of 66kg wrestlers.
 
I would also be curious to see what kind of lifts Olympic wrestlers can put up. Though I over the course of two decades training techniques have varied a lot- I wouldn't be surprised of some have never trainined compound lifts at all.

As for MMA fighters- I can tell you I know some fighters I train with that love the weights, and some that never touch them. Even over the course of a training camp, as a fighter loses weight, pushes his body harder and harder, his lifts drop considerably. I would personnaly estimate that by fight week by lifts drop around 10-20%.
 
Here's what Joel thinks:

http://www.ufc.com/news/ufc-fit-test-ultimate-benchmark


http://media.ufc.tv/FOX6/dj-chart.JPG

The 90+ pull-ups was a typo but the 1.5 miles in less than 8min wasn't.

Awesome, thanks for that link that was a great example of the type of info I was after PLUS it threw in some conditioning scores as well!

Whilst I appreciate that strength training for MA ppl is still a controversial topic and an athletes technical ability is always going to be a factor, the fact that someone like Joel Jamieson puts together figures like in the link suggests to me that there is in fact some very reliable numbers that you expect a high level MA to be able to meet. He is a strength and conditioning coach after all....so you would expect that he would try to maximise the strength and conditioning of the athletes he works with. To do this you would need some idea of what "good" stats are.

And after all, at the highest levels you would expect that most athletes technique is going to be pretty much on par with their oponents (assuming good match making) therefore the strength of the athlete WILL play a major role and could in fact be the deciding factor.

As for the different weight classes, no sh*t. I don't expect a lightweight to lift more than a heavy, but relative to THEIR OWN body weight there should be a consistent level that one would consider "strong enough" to not be outclassed.
 
Rather than starting a new thread, is there any consensus on how to find your optimal 'fight weight' other than by trial and error? I was wondering if wrist size would be a good indicator of roughly how much you should weigh according to your height?
 
Rather than starting a new thread...

Thank you.

...is there any consensus on how to find your optimal 'fight weight' other than by trial and error? I was wondering if wrist size would be a good indicator of roughly how much you should weigh according to your height?

You can probably find it on google, but yes, there is a theory out there that considers wrist circumference and height to determine optimal fighting weight for boxers.
 
For me personally, I'm planning on doing this once I hit 500/315/405 at 170BW. Then move to a 2 day split and add in more kickboxing training.
 
Don't obsess too much about numbers and comparing them to other people. Just focus on getting stronger yourself.
 
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