Story of Jesus Christ was 'fabricated to pacify the poor', claims Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill

[JonesBones]

That is true, the most religious places on earth seem to be the worst.

I still don’t understand what he’s trying to say.

They also tend to have small armies that cant rape other countries of their resources.

Why is North Korea so poor? DERP. Cuz it is a fuckin pariah. Without the muscle to back it up. Thus they are poor. Show me a country with a great military that isnt powerful on the world stage? Power is all that matters.

Oh, I got one for ya. South Korea is much more religious and successful. OF course that has nothing to do with religion, but from your simplistic perspective it would.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

well.....ya. Who t/o history has been poor, talking economics wise?
pretty much the poor, and the lower middle class since that's been a thing

Why is that?

b/c they have to some 'hope' to continue and contribute for the rewards in the afterlife, it not only helps explain the menial role of most labor, but keeps people in check as long as they agree they have to contribute to the system

The greatest scheme the elite have ever pulled

 

[meauneau]

If you can't establish the existence of God then you shouldn't be claiming that your religion is true.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

They also tend to have small armies that cant rape other countries of their resources.

Why is North Korea so poor? DERP. Cuz it is a fuckin pariah. Without the muscle to back it up. Thus they are poor.

India has nucelar weapons and it’s loaded with dirt poor people all over the place. They can win a war if they chose to do so.

 

[JonesBones]

India has nucelar weapons and it’s loaded with dirt poor people all over the place. They can win a war if they chose to do so.

Against who? Who could they take out to increase their wealth? lol at India. They are so unathletic. Look at their sports teams. lol.

South Korean is Christian. North Korea is atheist. One is shit, another is not. Has nothing to do with religion.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Seriously what in the fuck are you talking about

He's throwing out snippets so if you're not familiar, you'd miss it. But read "Beyond Good and Evil" to get an idea of where he's coming from. It was published in 1886, though, and we've come a long way since.

Actually might be interesting to see someone take a crack at a serious analysis of more modern morality.

 

[JonesBones]

He's throwing out snippets so if you're not familiar, you'd miss it. But read "Beyond Good and Evil" to get an idea of where he's coming from. It was published in 1886, though, and we've come a long way since.

Actually might be interesting to see someone take a crack at a serious analysis of more modern morality.

Glad somebody can see the signal in the noise. I just assume people have read what I read. Since anyone even discussing this topic should have read it.

Beyond Good and Evil is the only Nietzsche book I read in full I still somewhat remember. Good call.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Against who? Who could they take out to increase their wealth?

I was making a point that poor countries are not defenseless. I used India as an example. They do have some muscle behind them, they have nucelar weapons.

 

[JonesBones]

I do need a fuckin translator. This is not the first time this has come up. lol. @Jack V Savage is mine in here. lol.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...s-controversial-biblical-scholar-8870879.html


This is the identical set of conditions present today with Christians today.

"Outlining his ideas in a blog posting on his website Mr Atwill writes: "Christianity may be considered a religion, but it was actually developed and used as a system of mind control to produce slaves that believed God decreed their slavery.

Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history
"

The book has been out for over 10 years - Makes sense if you ignore the part where the Roman govt persecuted the Christians. Those Roman's would also have to know a lot about Jewish messianic prophecy to piece the story together.

Not to mention that there are letters from Paul dated before the Flavian dynasty.

To believe his book one would have to believe that Nero was making human candles of Christians 50 yrs before Titus "invented" Christianity.

 

[Harmonica]

I do need a fuckin translator. This is not the first time this has come up. lol. @Jack V Savage is mine in here. lol.

You're on the wrong forum. Very few people here are open minded and capable of entertaining ideas by performing mental exercises. The sound majority automatically and immediately assumes you're just spouting some standard political narrative. For instance, if you say something bad about Christianity, it must be because you're an advocate of Marxism or something like that.

Not to mention that all of them are believers in "progress", regardless of the side of the spectrum on which they reside (this will undoubtedly sound paradoxical to them, but I know you'll get it). Having said that, I am not gonna waste my time explaining myself...people here lack the necessary hardware to comprehend what you, Nietzsche or myself are talking about. It should be noted that it's not caused by lack of intelligence but rather by lack of strength, being that our worldview and striving are nothing more than a reflection of our inner strength/weakness.

 

[Gunny]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...s-controversial-biblical-scholar-8870879.html


This is the identical set of conditions present today with Christians today.

"Outlining his ideas in a blog posting on his website Mr Atwill writes: "Christianity may be considered a religion, but it was actually developed and used as a system of mind control to produce slaves that believed God decreed their slavery.

Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history
"

Wait, last I heard Jesus was a socialist. Can’t we please get a consistent narrative in here?

 

[JonesBones]

You're on the wrong forum. Very few people here are open minded and capable of entertaining ideas by performing mental exercises. The sound majority automatically and immediately assumes you're just spouting some standard political narrative. For instance, if you say something bad about Christianity, it must be because you're an advocate of Marxism or something like that.

Not to mention that all of them are believers in "progress", regardless of the side of the spectrum on which they reside (this will undoubtedly sound paradoxical to them, but I know you'll get it). Having said that, I am not gonna waste my time by explaining myself...people here lack the necessary hardware to comprehend what you, Nietzsche or myself are talking about. It should be noted that it's not caused by lack of intelligence but rather by lack of strength, being that are worldview and striving are nothing more than a reflection of our inner strength/weakness.

And I tend to like guys like that as well. Hegel and Nietzsche for example. There is a cottage industry devoted to just understanding these people. lol. William James said he didn't know what Hegel was talking about until he took nitrous. I am on the wrong forum but there are a few people who are decent. It's what annoys me about atheism. It is similar to what Nietzsche said about religion. They think they are deep but they are not even superficial. If you are a reasoning being with an education you should be able to understand me. Those are their shortcomings, not mine.

You nailed it about strength too. It isn't even intellect. It is will. And I do understand progress. You are right. Tolstoy nailed this. Progress is the biggest nothing in the world. Fuckin meaningless. Progressing towards what?

 

[HunterSdVa29]

modern morality hasn't changed much, if any tbh

we have laws enacted to deter people from committing the most egregious of crimes, yet......they are still committed every single day. People are not inherently good, that's absurd. If anything psychological egoism applies, and people are just seeking appetites or avoiding aversions, that's it.

just look at the third world for reference, FGM and forced Man Love Thursdays isn't a first world thing. You can look at that two ways: a more developed, 'advanced' society will move past these things.......or they are doing those things in those regions b/c that's closest to human nature in terms of development and lack of infrastructure and institutional control

IOW Tl/Dr: I don't think the Purge is that far off from reality

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Was this before or after they get fed Christians to lions?

It would have been at least 50 yrs after. Hey, but it would make a great movie.

 

[FacePunch]

Well, duh.

 

[trolldum]

Well, in the biggest shitholes of Africa there is often nobody but Christian missionaries and volunteers helping the poor. Not many secular humanists wandering around and helping people.

 

[JonesBones]

@Harmonica


“Modern capitalism needs men who cooperate smoothly and in large numbers; who want to consume more and more; and whose tastes are standardized and can be easily influenced and anticipated. It needs men who feel free and independent, not subject to any authority or principle or conscience-- yet willing to be commanded, to do what is expected of them, to fit into the social machine without friction; who can be guided without force, led without leaders, prompted without aim-- except the one to make good, to be on the move, to function, to go ahead.”

― Erich Fromm, The Art of Loving

 

[Happy Man]

More stupidity. Imagine that, leftists still gonna try to bullshit. Every academic worth their salt knows this is nonsense.

The apostles tombs are real. Archeology is real.

How do people get so fucking dumb, just because you don't like Christianity, doesn't mean you can just make shit up about it

 

[HunterSdVa29]

the last five or so commandments are literally just 'don't mess w/ rich people's stuff' b/c when these things were 'written' not like a whole lot of people actually owned property

so the ol' don't cover your neighbors wife, property/house, servants, animals, etc..' and 'don't steal' are pretty much built in rich people protection

If we're being honest, they could have trotted out Aesops Fables for the morality part, negated all the supernatural nonsense and it'd have the same if not a much better effect and impact on the world
Shit, just leave it at the Golden Rule and call it a day