Story of Jesus Christ was 'fabricated to pacify the poor', claims Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill

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  1. meauneau

    meauneau Brown Belt

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    Beauty and goodness are meaningless in a nihilistic world. You enjoy it but ultimately it is all meaningless.

    The better choice is up to the individual. Better is a functional term, what is better is up to what each person's preference, nature, needs, etc.

    At times when I think about meaning I can't help but think it is an illusion, that there is no meaning in the world. We do not experience meaning, what we experience is the verbal/phonetic expressions coinciding with something in our brains, thoughts, which then produce a sense of understanding or meaningfulness. Language is just a means to externalise thought. We can think even if we had no language. I think it is the sensation of understanding and meaningfulness that keeps us going. Some can keep going even if they reject meaning. So it is up to everyone.
     
  2. fonzob1

    fonzob1 Red Belt

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    This is utter bullshit. Why in the hell would the Roman government create a story to pacify the poor and then feed the people who believed it to Lions?

    This article is designed to incite "poor people" and get some publicity. That is all.
     
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    Seaside Secretaría de Relaciones Exteriores

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    the vast majority of humanity and especially human males is scared to admit that they are powerless and not have all answers and are likely wrong about what they believe is moral and immoral and how universe operates. Most men cannot even admit their own faults and insecurities and as soon as it comes to light there brain goes into defense mode with ´´´nope i am better and superior than xyz people and so and so and i have it all figured out i have higher purpose´´ it is funny because they may very well be better than other groups etc. But they often wont admit their own faults and imperfections often physical and instead resort to coping and mental gymnastics to make sense of the world and pacifiy their fears of unknown.
     
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  4. Voodoo_Child906

    Voodoo_Child906 Brown Belt

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    I must say, it's hard for me to believe that English is your second language, you're Andalucian correct?
     
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  5. PainIsLIfe

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    I still don't see you're point; in Greek the word Hades is used. If you read the Aramaic text for the same verse it reads: 23"And suffering in Sheol, he lifted up his eyes from afar off and he saw Abraham, and Lazar in his bosom."

    http://biblehub.com/aramaic-plain-english/luke/16.htm

    I mean you don't have to accept the Bible as the truth, but at least understand that Greek translations have Greek words and that doesn't mean Jesus used those exact words.
     
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  6. PainIsLIfe

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    That's the beauty of the theory, the Romans fed Christians to lions before the Romans invented Christianity so...... no the Romans didn't feed Christians to the lions????
     
  7. ithinktheymad

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    The parable was to prove that Jesus had used the word hades. The other verse referred to 2(I suppose 3 if you wanted to be anal) places of the dead. If one was Sheol what was the other one?

    I feel like the Hades thing is a copout. I think it would be strange that any Greek speaker would be unaware of the connotations of the word Hades(it refers to BOTH the god and the place). I'm not surprised however since that religion is a half-assed pastiche of other belief systems anyway.
     
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    What the fuck are you on about? Rome did persecute Christians in an attempt to enforce its traditional religion. Why do you need to create a religion to "control the poor" when you already have one?
     
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  9. Rusk

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    Your post is meaningless garbage. Just some bs rumbling by a guy in a persistent vegetative state.
     
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  10. meauneau

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    Yes.

    This is the problem. We live in a naturalistic world where physicalsim is the case, some sort of realisation or supervenience physicalism, but we also have thoughts that are about things and we have sensations of meaningfulness. Meaning has to be physically realised or something. Or there is no meaning in reality but a sensation which we call meaning.
     
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    More likely a product of over a century of Marxist influence. Historically, liberalism and tolerance aren't exactly hallmarks of christianity.
     
  12. VivaRevolution

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    You know for such weak people, it sure does seem that Europe and the US, have global domination at the moment.

    Like always, look to south park for life's great truths. Far superior to Nietzsche.


     
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    LOL at @JonesBones trolling hard

    Edit with sprinklings of the truth
     
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    I am not against religion, but it is clear attending catholic mass that one of the main message that comes out is to " conform to the world and find consolation in the world of god".

    Yes, Christians tend to be sheeps.
     
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    Firstly, serfdom was going to exist, whether or not cathedrals were built.

    Secondly, cathedrals were funded by bishops who received some financial support from secular rulers, but that was not the sole, or in most cases, the primary source of funding.

    https://muse.jhu.edu/article/455088/pdf


    Judging from the enthusiasm for and popularity of these projects, there were very real benefits, such as feeling that life had a purpose of meaning infinitely greater than yourself but to which you were most intimately connected. The entire community was involved in and contributing to the central creative activity of the culture. You don't think that has benefits?

    https://www.durhamworldheritagesite.com/architecture/cathedral/construction
     
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  16. PainIsLIfe

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    You can' be this dense. Jesus didn' speak Greek and didn't say Hades.

    And the other word you're wondering about that he used is abadon.
     
  17. PainIsLIfe

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    It's a joke mocking the theory. Nero persecute Christians, but this guy' theory is that the Romans invented Christianity about 30 yrs after they were already being persecuted.
     
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    is this why it was taught to the african diaspora?
     
  19. Rusk

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    Well I disagree. I don’t think it’s the case at all.

    But you are determined to think this way and this conversation is pointless ;)
     
  20. JonesBones

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    “Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you.”

    Kahlil Gibran, Sand and Foam
     
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