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Discussion in 'The War Room' started by JDragon, Feb 6, 2018.
Right, I understasnd their explanation but just do not buy it
In order to accept the heliocentric design of the universe one has to ignore all of their own senses and perceptions and just trust that it is.
If pictures from outer space look completely fake well...thats what its supposed to look like.
If I can pull out some binoculars and pull a ship that was supposed to have gone over the horizon back into view well...thats just a mirage silly.
If we notice that images of the earth are photoshopped well...they have to be says nasa.
People in Australia stand right side up but are told they are upside down.
We are told nothing falls off the sides and bottom of the earth because of gravity but no one can actually show us that gravity even exists.
The sun looks to be pretty close and about the same size of the moon but again...its actually 90million miles away and my eyes have lied to me again so says mathematicians.
From what I can tell everything looks completely still and not moving yet I'm told I'm spinning in a circle and spinning around the sun and flying through space.
Stars are supposed to be burning balls of gas but look nothing like burning balls of gas.
Even the original experiments that supposedly proved the earth is round cannot be recreated...you just have to trust that people hundreds of years ago figured it all out.
Theoretical physicists produce these insanely long and complicated math formulas that take up a whole chalk board and say "see...it's been proven! Trust us".
One has to really start to ask themselves how they could even fall for such nonsense.
Mmmmm yeah, that's the good stuff.
The people in australia one had me in stitches.
Lol go hijack a different thread , preferably on a different forum.
You're much more crazy. The world must seem so bewildering to you.
Stop being a bitch
You sound like you are in need of a time out
You should test it out for yourself.
Climb the tallest building and jump.
Shit is probably a hoax anyway.
TCK has been banned from this thread, so don't bother replying to him
But that's just because he's heavier than the air
What's that? Why do things have weight? Who knows, just some invisible force.
Why would you take this from me?
WHHYY!!! He's so much fun to be around!!! Lol
Their fundamentals say otherwise. What am I wrong about?
Their shares are less than 300 since this post. It used to be near 400. Musk has not delivered on promises over and over again. That is a fact.
I know a lot about Tesla and invested in them and was smart enough to get out. I sold at 350.
They are trying to make that Model 3. That is their their ticket to profit. They are behind and blew it. Derp. Their whole stock is riding on the Model 3. You have no clue what you are talking about.
Microsoft and a ton of shares are less expensive than Tesla. That means nothing. Microsoft is a much better company. Going for around $80
Then how come I can pull out binoculars and still see his posts in this thread after he left it?!
The model 3 is not their ticket to profit , it is the reason they have not shown a profit, the automotive division of Tesla will likely always be marginal , the power wall , solar roof etc on the hand are very promising.
This thread though is about spaceX......
That Tesla is falling apart, that the launch was intended to be a distraction, and that Teslas engineering is bush league.
It seems you're basing your opinions on the Model 3 production delays and the fact that the company hasnt shown a profit. Delays (especially for a brand new model) are pretty normal in the car business, and don't indicate a major failure. Tesla Motors wasn't ever expected to be an instant money maker, and it doesn't seem to bother the huge numbers of investors that have made it one of the most valuable companies in the world.
Criticism of their engineering prowess is ludicrous, considering what they've done
And those same investors are selling them like hotcakes driving down the price.
Delays for a company without any market share won't last. GM has sold tons of Bolts this year. Tesla missed out.
It is a distraction, Musk said, "If we can put a car into space, we can make model 3s". He connected it to the event But they can't make model 3s as has been shown over and over again. Just another day at Tesla:
And again another delay.
Production holdups for Tesla’s Model 3 electric sedan are translating into delivery delays for many would-be owners, new reports indicate.
The electric car maker’s bid for the mass market has run into trouble in spite of what the company has said are nearly half a million Model 3 pre-orders. The firm has twice delayed its 5,000-cars-per-week production target, which still stands at sometime between April and June, Tesla announced during a conference call with analysts Feb. 7.
Tesla is struggling with what every Silicon Valley company taking its moonshot must ultimately do: scale. It expects to sell 100,000 Model S and X vehicles this year, meaning zero growth on that front. And even as Tesla boasts of growth on every other front, there's precious little to show for it in terms of operating leverage. For example, revenue jumped by 44 percent in the fourth quarter, year over year. Yet the company's gross profit increased by less than 1 percent, and its net loss more than tripled to its worst ever.
You haven't followed the stock or the company. I have followed it everyday for months.
The day after Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk blasted his Tesla Roadster into space, his electric car company's mounting losses brought him back to Earth again.
Tesla Inc. posted a record quarterly net loss of $675 million in the fourth quarter, up from a net loss of $121 million in the same period a year ago. The Palo Alto, California, automaker is struggling to meet production targets for its first mass-market car, the Model 3 sedan. It's also spending heavily on future vehicles, including a semi that's supposed to go into production next year.
Tesla lost $1.96 billion for the full year, nearly three times its loss of $675 million in 2016. The company has never made a full-year profit since it went public in 2010.
Steve Wozniak gets it:
Steve Wozniak says he's tired of Elon Musk's promises and thinks Tesla needs to stop overhyping its self-driving technology.
At the Nordic Business Forum in Stockholm, Wozniak, a cofounder of Apple, shared his experiences driving — and upgrading — his Teslas.
"Now I don't believe anything Elon Musk or Tesla says, but I still love the car," Wozniak said, adding that other automakers were ahead in self-driving technology.
Wozniak says he prefers his Chevy Bolt but drives a Tesla on longer trips, pointing to its countrywide charging network.
"When a Tesla runs in any condition on a highway that is a little unusual — a cone in the middle of a lane — you have to move over," he said. "A dumb human or a smart human can easily do it, but the Tesla can't."
He added: "Man, you've got to be on your toes all the time with it."
Wozniak also said Tesla was deflecting responsibility.
"All Tesla says is, 'It's beta, so we're not responsible — you have to be in control,'" Wozniak said. "So that's kind of a cheap way out of it. Everything I've read told me that every other car manufacturer in the world — Audi and BMW — are actually ahead of Tesla for self-driving cars."
He owns one btw.
But for everyday life, "we always drive the Chevy Bolt EV instead of the Tesla, every day," Wozniak said.
On Tuesday, analysts at Cascend Securities downgraded shares of the Palo Alto, Calif.-based automaker from hold to sell along with a $250 price target, indicating a 20% downside over the upcoming 12-month period.
Read more: Tesla Downgraded on Soft Model 3 Demand: Cascend | Investopedia https://www.investopedia.com/news/tesla-downgraded-soft-model-3-demand-cascend/#ixzz56dfh1cNc
Their projections are spot on so far. Much more accurate than Tesla's.