South Africa Votes to Confiscate White Minority's Land Without Compensation

[indo80]

PrinceOfPain,,,,, do indians own any farmland in South africa and is it also under the threat of seizure?

 

[FrankensteinMMA]

How to be a retard.

1. Cite historic grievances from the 17th century as justification for modern day reverse racism.

2. Blame whites for deteriorating conditions of blacks in South Africa even though whites have not been in power for close to 30 years.

3. Deny being a liberal SJW.

i clearly said that up until the early 90's...

i didnt blame whites for deteriorating conditions. i really didnt say anything that wasnt outside of what apartheid was.

yes 30yrs....about the time apartheid was done away with....

and last but not least...you accuse me of being a liberal sjw just because i dont agree with the alt right view of colonialism. well then if you are going to be a child and throw around lables then you are a racist alt righter. seems fair.

case closed.

 

[58miles]

Well 153 years is many generations and a long time for people to get their shit together. No?

Like I posted that Jim Crow had only been officially ended in the 1960's in addition unofficial Jim Crow continued for decades afterward.

 

[FrankensteinMMA]

I was talking about the black South Africans being forcibly removed from their land.

well then yes they should be compensated. common sense.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

I agree but it is important to point out that despite all of the whining the post Apartheid South African government has treated white South Africans more fairly than the Apartheid government ever treated black South Africans.

Well yes, because white south Africans have money.
Despite their pandering however, they've not done much for black south Africans... Other than stir up division with the same rhetoric you're repeating.

 

[FrankensteinMMA]

How far do you want to take this? Countries and land have been taken over by different groups since the beginning of people kind. The black person who will take over the white owned farm probably has an ancestor who killed men, raped women and enslaved children in a tribal war over land. Why does he deserve the land when his ancestors are guilty of brutal atrocities?

its a matter of context. a race committing crimes against its own is not the same as a different race comming in and doing the same.

but if we just take what you say and apply it to the modern world.

mexicans have every right to come here en masse..illegaly. afterall might is right and nobody owns the land...just doing a watered down version of what whites did to the Indians.

europe? refugees are all welcome....how is it different than when the romans took over?

 

[PainIsLIfe]

its a matter of context. a race committing crimes against its own is not the same as a different race comming in and doing the same.

but if we just take what you say and apply it to the modern world.

mexicans have every right to come here en masse..illegaly. afterall might is right and nobody owns the land...just doing a watered down version of what whites did to the Indians.

europe? refugees are all welcome....how is it different than when the romans took over?

Wait a minute. It doesn't make a difference of the guy that shoots/robs me is white, black or green - I still suffer the same.

 

[58miles]

Well yes, because white south Africans have money.
Despite their pandering however, they've not done much for black south Africans... Other than stir up division with the same rhetoric you're repeating.

Yes whites have money is part of the reason but also don't want to be the same kind of low life scumbags like the Apartheid government was when they were in power.

 

[unimackpass]

Everybody, quick! Don't go to South Africa?

What's the end game here?

Do you guys get text alerts from "brown people are scary" websites?

That's so sweet.

 

[unimackpass]

why don't I see you posting sarcastic shit like this about the whiners of 'white racism' ? transparent trash

But it's so sweet.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Yes whites have money is part of the reason but also don't want to be the same kind of low life scumbags like the Apartheid government was when they were in power.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Yes whites have money is part of the reason but also don't want to be the same kind of low life scumbags like the Apartheid government was when they were in power.

Or they're just greedy.
Given how many altruistic moves the govt has actually made, you're an idiot if you believe there's much ethical motivation behind their "mercy".

 

[unimackpass]

So can Europeans kick Muslims out of Turkey?

Let's not get racist here.

 

[Prutfis]

Really? I thought northern europe was crap for a very long time.

So we can add northern Europe the very, very, very, veeeery long list of things you don´t really know anything about. Kewl

 

[tkotom]

He was talking about Europeans taking over turkey.......Armenians are Europeans? Never knew that.

You’re stupid. Very.

Turkey (Anatolia and well past the Aegean) is a lot more than the Armenian portion.

Turks murdered into the heart of Western Europe.

 

[Fedorable]

Because if no one tries to be better, the cycle of oppression and violence never ends.
Whites fucked with blacks, so blacks deserve to fuck them back... but then the blacks will be the ones who did the fucking, so the next generation of whites will be entitled to return the fucking favour.. and on and on.

It is a short-sighted and dangerous mentality, trying to get revenge on people who've been dead for decades.

it's like that episode of growing pains.

 

[mon]

might is right is what conservatives have been using to justify the colonisation of indigenous people around the world.

so when the refugees and economic migrants splash onto the shores of italy or spain and get away with it...well...might is right...right?

when mexicans pour across the border and dont get deported....might is right...right?

as far as people not having to do with what their ancestors did...well...for example...DACA kids had no say when their parents brought them over.....

also....it wasnt until the early 90's that white south africans stopped the apartheid. allot of those whites are still alive today...

Come on mate put down the meth pipe as thats one hell of a stretch about conservatives.

I can find no end of attrocities through out history as bad or far worse than western colinisation. Shit Africa has a very rich history of might is right (alongside every other country and people on earth). So if a slave is taken, kept or sold by a person of the similar ancestory its not the same as if a different ancestory does it. Look at the majority of murdering, slaving and stealing over the last 200 years (analiticly) and tell me where the majority comes from and to whom?

Apartheid was a travesty and so was most of early colonisation, no arguments there. I dont see the brutal african regimes offering to hand over power, free their slaves or any other messure that almost/all future colonies have.

I don't think the refugee influx is even close to might is right yet and the western response certainly isn't.... Yet. This last point touches on my worry, push hard enough and people push back. If anyone thinks you're going to take a pound of flesh for crimes someones distant ancestor did and have no repercussions your dreaming.

I gave a small bit of info from an African fitter, what I failed to mention was he told me was he was

 

[PrinceOfPain]

PrinceOfPain,,,,, do indians own any farmland in South africa and is it also under the threat of seizure?

I am not sure how much farmland Indians have in general across the population, but I have a couple Indian friends whose families have recently been trying to sell off farms.
In their case, they're not farmers and the kids don't really want to try and divvy up the land, so the money is more attractive to them.

Sorry, it is a very anecdotal answer.
Indians tend to be very business-savvy, so I imagine a fair amount of farmland is in their possession.. if that's at all helpful.

As for whether or not the land's at risk, it's hard to say. I don't think any particular land has been earmarked for expropriation - which is, of course, another reason this is all worrying. I doubt Indians will be any safer than anyone else, if they have land that's deemed attractive.

If I may ask, what's your interest in South African Indians? From you AV I am pretty sure you've asked about SA Indians before.

 

[indo80]

I am not sure how much farmland Indians have in general across the population, but I have a couple Indian friends whose families have recently been trying to sell off farms.
In their case, they're not farmers and the kids don't really want to try and divvy up the land, so the money is more attractive to them.

Sorry, it is a very anecdotal answer.
Indians tend to be very business-savvy, so I imagine a fair amount of farmland is in their possession.. if that's at all helpful.

As for whether or not the land's at risk, it's hard to say. I don't think any particular land has been earmarked for expropriation - which is, of course, another reason this is all worrying. I doubt Indians will be any safer than anyone else, if they have land that's deemed attractive.

If I may ask, what's your interest in South African Indians? From you AV I am pretty sure you've asked about SA Indians before.

I'm indo-canadian and i've heard of stories regarding the Indian community that was expelled from Uganda in the 70's so whats happening in South Africa is concerning. I've also had a friend back in high school who was a South African Indian that immigrated to Canada. He was very conflicted about the situation over there back in the day as he felt that under the apartheid all the non-whites were discriminated against but the situation for a lot of people worsened even after the apartheid. I hope for the sake of everyone your country works these issues out.

 

[Trotsky]

@PrinceOfPain Would you be interested in/care to give a brief overview of the South African political parties? Even for a parliamentary system, the fractionalization seems pretty extensive, particularly on the left. I know the political left is internationally more known for in-fighting and squabbling over very particular political and theoretical nuance, while the right tends to just coagulate into a reactionary uniformity....but still, it seems extreme.

I recalled reading something long ago about the Workers and Socialist Party (WASP) there and being mildly impressed. But, after consulting Wikipedia, I saw that they don't even have a seat in your current parliament. Meanwhile, the African People's Convention, Economic Freedom Fighters, National Freedom Party, United Democratic Movement all have seats.