Socialism's Growing Popularity Among Democrats (Sanders Affect)

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For David Green, head of the Detroit chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), Donald Trump's victory in November was both distressing and cause for optimism in his quest to pull the Democratic Party to the left.

"We need a party that’s open to progressive forces, and that’s why we have to elect progressive leadership within the party," Green said, while attending the Michigan Democratic Party's spring convention in Detroit earlier this month.

Membership in the DSA, founded in 1982, has surged since Trump's election on Nov. 8, putting the movement in a position to make inroads on the Democratic Party's energized left. The membership gains are fueled by supporters of Bernie Sanders, the U.S. Senator from Vermont who sought the Democratic presidential nomination last year.

The DSA is not a political party, but it supports many of the same short-term policy positions as the Sanders wing of the Democratic Party: a $15 minimum wage, single-payer healthcare, free college, and opposition to free-trade deals.

But unlike most mainstream Democrats, the DSA also has a long-term vision of a democratic socialist society in the vein of countries like Sweden and Denmark, where workers have a more direct say in how their jobs and the economy are run, alongside a more robust public sector.

Since November, national membership has almost tripled to about 17,000. Its leaders have said meetings are packed and new chapters are cropping up nationwide, including in Rust Belt states such as Michigan, Wisconsin and Ohio, where Trump scored upset wins over Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton to take the White House.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-demsocialists-idUSKBN16014M


No matter how many times socialism has failed in history, socialists always believe that socialism just hasn't been implemented "the right way"
 
Yet you keep believing that the Don will fulfill his economic promises.
 
Nice irrelevant post


+1 Dog Treat

No, i mean, you are blasting democratic socialism without addressing how irresponsible economic liberalism has failed yet people keep trying it over and over.
 
America is a very nationalistic country though. So lets promote Nationalistic Socialism. Actually, lets go one step further. Bernie supports workers rights and has called immigration a scheme of the Kock brothers so lets have a Nationalist Socialist Workers Party. Let's go after the undesirables who hoard the wealth. These international capitalists.

Russia also tries to manipulate our country, they will be dealt with in time.
 
No, i mean, you are blasting democratic socialism without addressing how irresponsible economic liberalism has failed yet people keep trying it over and over.


Define 'economic liberalism' and define 'failed'. If you are talking about Capitalism, I love to see the number of capitalist societies that have failed in history vs. socialists ones.


Some people don't understand that Government can't fix your shortcomings.
 
America is a very nationalistic country though. So lets promote Nationalistic Socialism. Actually, lets go one step further. Bernie supports workers rights and has called immigration a scheme of the Kock brothers so lets have a Nationalist Socialist Workers Party. Let's go after the undesirables who hoard the wealth. These international capitalists.

Russia also tries to manipulate our country, they will be dealt with in time.
Right, because socialism was the defining factor of nazism.

Even though "Among the earliest victims of discrimination and persecution in nazi Germany were political opponents including Communists, Socialists, social democrats and trade union leaders."
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007329

But hey, Nazi had social in the name, so...
 
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Define 'economic liberalism' and define 'failed'. If you are talking about Capitalism, I love to see the number of capitalist societies that have failed in history vs. socialists ones.


Some people don't understand that Government can't fix your shortcomings.

I said irresponsible economic liberalism has failed and i find the irony rich when you support a president who promises such government overreach.
 
The outright hostility towards socialism isn't a good thing. Socialism, all in, like so many seem to want? Ok, that's a problem. Socialism as an influence on our economic policies? Hey, that might well lead to a more just and fair society as a whole. The free market is a harsh mistress...
 
No, i mean, you are blasting democratic socialism without addressing how irresponsible economic liberalism has failed yet people keep trying it over and over.

Define economic liberalism

If you're comparing western capitalism to socialIsm, capitalism crushes everything in the long run. The US has just been in the biggest recession since the Great Depression. to compare it at this state to Western European countries that have been socialist for like 15 years, after growing due to capitalism, is silly

Nobody is going on rafts to Cuba and all the soviet era socialist/communist countries are becoming capitalist so they can recover
 
Democratic Socialism not the same thing as socialism. Regulating companies and markets is the only thing that keeps us from being a neofeudal society. With the rise of neoliberalism in the last 35 years we're barely hanging on as it is. Depending on how this administration goes, the American dream could be wrapping up soon. Also, TS is a known idiot.
 
This is the thread where the usual gang of idiots will confuse taxation and regulation within a representative republic and market economy with the State controlling the means of production under brutal dictatorship.

Hang-on-there-I-need-to-get-more-popcorn-meme-43756.jpg
 
Define economic liberalism

If you're comparing western capitalism to socialIsm, capitalism crushes everything in the long run. The US has just been in the biggest recession since the Great Depression. to compare it at this state to Western European countries that have been socialist for like 15 years, after growing due to capitalism, is silly

Nobody is going on rafts to Cuba and all the soviet era socialist/communist countries are becoming capitalist so they can recover

I said irresponsible economic liberalism, not economic liberalism in general.

And i dont understand you are now pro free market now? i thought Trumpites were now all against free trade.

Governments should work to have a paliative effect to the negative consequences of economic efficiency.
 
I don't see a problem whatsoever. Democratic Socialism would have been very beneficial, America greatly needs a new New Deal.
 
We already have military socialism so what's the problem?
 
I don't see a problem whatsoever. Democratic Socialism would have been very beneficial, America greatly needs a new New Deal.

One of the biggest misconceptions about New Deal was that it got America out of the Great Depression. In reality, America did not get out of the depression until well into World War 2. What got US out of the great depression was World War 2 itself. All the European factories getting destroyed along with increased manufacturing in the states was exactly the country needed to end the depression.

With Europe industrial giants buckling while trying to support unchecked migration, we may be seeing a lesser version of this happen in the upcoming decade.
 
I said irresponsible economic liberalism has failed and i find the irony rich when you support a president who promises such government overreach.

Government Overreach? Are you fucking serious? The Pro Obamacare, Free Healthcare, Free College, Single Payer supporters about to lecture me about government overreach....really?
 
Right, because socialism was the defining factor of nazism.

Even though "Among the earliest victims of discrimination and persecution in nazi Germany were political opponents including Communists, Socialists, social democrats and trade union leaders."
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007329

But hey, Nazi had social in the name, so I guess that trumps reality.

#alternativefacts



You people think all Hitler did was kill jews, wasn't like the Nazi state didn't promise jobs to all citizens by government, government-run education, Nationalized Healthcare, and gun control.

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Sounds like you got a D in history.
 
Democratic Socialism not the same thing as socialism. Regulating companies and markets is the only thing that keeps us from being a neofeudal society. With the rise of neoliberalism in the last 35 years we're barely hanging on as it is. Depending on how this administration goes, the American dream could be wrapping up soon. Also, TS is a known idiot.



The DSA is not a political party, but it supports many of the same short-term policy positions as the Sanders wing of the Democratic Party: a $15 minimum wage, single-payer healthcare, free college, and opposition to free-trade deals.



But we're are not socialists....
 
This is the thread where the usual gang of idiots will confuse taxation and regulation within a representative republic and market economy with the State controlling the means of production under brutal dictatorship.

Hang-on-there-I-need-to-get-more-popcorn-meme-43756.jpg



Where does a $15 minimum wage, single-payer healthcare, free college, and opposition to free-trade deals lie within taxation and regulation?
 
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