So mayweather vs mcgregor is actually gonna happen..

Ilk said:
Funny how people think Connor has a small chance of KOing Floyd.

Perfect example for that not happening is Kov Ward. Kovalev a beast who killed a man on the ring a 99 percent finisher got outplayed by Wards fantastic defense. And that is in a category which is heavier so heavier blows.

Even if Floyd is not in form he has the tools to defend and outsmart an amateur boxer come on. Floyd non arguably the best defence in boxing being KOed by an amateur boxer with 0 fights. Come on people be real.
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It would be dumb to think that Conor doesn't have a punchers chance. Literally everyone who steps into the ring does. Doesn't mean it's a good chance, but it's stupid to think that its completely impossible.
 
Ilk said:
Judging by the current champions of UFC, most of them are not really wrestlers or BJJ artists. Sure they have trained these disciplines, but it is not the way they are winning with and their main art. If we examine the top 5 of every weight we are getting split in 50-50. So your argument is not really standing much weight. The same can be said about every stand up fighter it seems, just by training a bit of wrestling and BJJ they are very successful.

In addition keep in mind not a single one of the strikers in MMA is actually a top of the top striker. They are good strikers, but just a few of them may make a career in kick boxing or boxing. So back to my point a pro boxer unique as Maywheater in his physical prime should, given the time to practice at least an year should do fine in the cage.
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Nonsense. Have you ever actually grappled a day in your life? You don't just do a bit of it and then be able to compete in the UFC.

Stipe is an NCAA Division 1 Wrestler
Daniel Cormier is an olympian
Michael Bisping is a BJJ Brown Belt (who trains with high level grapplers every day to stay sharp)
Tyron Woodley is NCAA D1
Conor McGregor is a BJJ Brown Belt (who trains with Gunnar Nelson every day)
Max Holloway is the rare exception, he's only a purple belt but he's still trained BJJ for seven years... Jose Aldo before him was a high level BJJ black belt who just rarely used it, and had the best defensive wrestling in the game.

You seem to be under the impression that if someones not shooting for takedowns they're not using their wrestling. You do realise that the only reason that Conor McGregor and Michael Bisping are even able to strike is because of how good their defensive wrestling actually is.

Floyd Mayweather could train for a year, and it still wouldn't make him a top level MMA fighter, he wouldn't understand how to defend the many takedowns that an experienced grappler would try out on him. He wouldn't understand all of the many angles that an experienced kicker could get him from, and the shoulder roll defence that he specialises in doesn't work in MMA because someone can just kick him in the arm every time he does it.

Mayweather wouldn't beat Conor in a kickboxing bout, let alone an MMA bout.
 
biscuitsbrah said:
It's gonna look like every single Floyd fight in recent memory... yawn.

Only the first couple of rounds are going to be exciting because Conor only knows how to go for the kill.

I wouldn't be surprised if he hurts mayweather but there's no way he's finishing him. Then Conor eats soft but really fast jabs and straights all day
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great point, mayweather is so boring to watch (unlike his younger years) because all he does is "run" and out point guys, its not point fighting, its boxing, people still want to see an aggressive FIGHT. That being said, mayweather ruined boxing with the mayweather vs pacquiao fight, can he do it once more and ruin this?

The world is hyped up for mcgregor to get a lucky shot, or mayweather to ko him, but in reality as you said it will most likely be more of the same, a huge let down, a boring fight, and mayweather taking it on points in usual fashion.
 
I have as a kid. Even was asked many times by my fathers coaches to start training seriously. My father is a wrestler so I know a thing or two about it.

I have no clue what NCAA D1 is. I have an anecdotical evidence only to support me and it is that if my father was able to win 4th in Nationals in Bulgaria ( ranked 9th with medals in the history of Olympics as a nation) with one main attack only the level of Olympic wrestling competition is not that high.

I think people are hugely under estimating what fighter Maywheater really is and on what level pro boxing is. First Maywheater is perhaps history's greatest boxer, just not valued due to him still competing. I am quite sure we all will be telling histories about his greatness to our kids. Arguably the most technical and dominant boxer out there. His in fighting is even better than his out fighting but people who only understand boxing will tell you that. His top competitors never standed a chance.

Second pro boxing has also an Olympic competition going on. There is not a single fight sport with both Olympic and pro competition going on. Lastly pro boxing pay rolls are insane. Which speaks itself to the level of athletes it has. The only sport that can gather a higher and more prepared pool of athletes is soccer and perhaps basketball.

So we are speaking of some really professional athlete and happens to be one of the greatest boxers of all time in his physical prime competing with preparation in a new sport. And most arguments against that idea is d1 wrestling or some belts in an art. I mean we are speaking here about one of the greatest athletes of all time you guys realize that?
 
NCAA D1 means that you're pretty fucking good at wrestling. It's the highest level of wrestling at the collegiate level - and intercollege competition is steep.

I wouldn't describe Floyd as one of the greatest athletes of all time by any stretch. One of the greatest boxers of all time for sure, but there is nothing about Floyd that makes him particularly remarkable from an athletic standpoint, but even then you describe him as maybe the best boxer of all time, which isn't something any boxing analyst would seriously consider. Top 50, maybe even top 20 sure, but not the best.

Everyone with a brain knows that Floyd is good at in fighting, but the majority of it revolves around his ability to tie up. In MMA, you only tie up if you're superior in the clinch. Floyd is never going to be in a situation in high level MMA in which he is superior in the clinch.

I've got nothing majorly against you, but as someone that trains regularly with the best sambists in the UK, and gets tied in knots in the process - it's more than a little irritating to have someone claiming that a boxer, with no grappling experience could be super successful in MMA after a year of grappling.

I can't go off your anecdotal evidence either, because it's not really... saying anything at all. Your father was a good wrestler? Okay? I doubt Mayweather would sprawl your Dad's takedowns after a years experience either.
 
Not even McGregor is stupid enough to think he's going to win.

I'd fight Mayweather if given the chance, and we could even split the purse 95/5. I'd still make a shit ton of money.
 
AndyMaBobs said:
It would be dumb to think that Conor doesn't have a punchers chance. Literally everyone who steps into the ring does. Doesn't mean it's a good chance, but it's stupid to think that its completely impossible.
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It's about as realistic a chance as tyron woodley beating maia via flying gogoplata
 
AndyMaBobs said:
It would be dumb to think that Conor doesn't have a punchers chance. Literally everyone who steps into the ring does. Doesn't mean it's a good chance, but it's stupid to think that its completely impossible.
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So name me one instance where a boxer with as little experience as Conor beat a high level guy like Floyd.
 
I agree with Kellerman that I don't think Conor lands a punch. I think Conor has a better chance beating Marcelo Garcia in BJJ then beating Floyd in boxing.
 
Ilk said:
I have as a kid. Even was asked many times by my fathers coaches to start training seriously. My father is a wrestler so I know a thing or two about it.

I have no clue what NCAA D1 is. I have an anecdotical evidence only to support me and it is that if my father was able to win 4th in Nationals in Bulgaria ( ranked 9th with medals in the history of Olympics as a nation) with one main attack only the level of Olympic wrestling competition is not that high.

I think people are hugely under estimating what fighter Maywheater really is and on what level pro boxing is. First Maywheater is perhaps history's greatest boxer, just not valued due to him still competing. I am quite sure we all will be telling histories about his greatness to our kids. Arguably the most technical and dominant boxer out there. His in fighting is even better than his out fighting but people who only understand boxing will tell you that. His top competitors never standed a chance.

Second pro boxing has also an Olympic competition going on. There is not a single fight sport with both Olympic and pro competition going on. Lastly pro boxing pay rolls are insane. Which speaks itself to the level of athletes it has. The only sport that can gather a higher and more prepared pool of athletes is soccer and perhaps basketball.

So we are speaking of some really professional athlete and happens to be one of the greatest boxers of all time in his physical prime competing with preparation in a new sport. And most arguments against that idea is d1 wrestling or some belts in an art. I mean we are speaking here about one of the greatest athletes of all time you guys realize that?
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The link between athletic ability and pay is really not a very good point to make, pay has more to do with the paying public and how many of us wish to watch a certain sport, if all of us decided to watch womens hockey, in no time the salary of these players would go through the roof as would the advertisement and sponsorship.
 
Bekim said:
The link between athletic ability and pay is really not a very good point to make, pay has more to do with the paying public and how many of us wish to watch a certain sport, if all of us decided to watch womens hockey, in no time the salary of these players would go through the roof as would the advertisement and sponsorship.
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With that I can argue. The popularity of a sport is proportional with the number of kids attracted to the sport and the number of athletes they can produce. Bigger pool of kids equals more athletes, , more competition, better athletes.
 
Eh, it's all relative. Floyd would be sucking on air after a few minutes of wrestling, Khabib Nurmagomedov is gonna be tired after competitive swimming. People need to stop with this A-level/B-level athlete bullshit. Your body adjusts to what you experience.

My best mate runs marathons... his cardio is far better than mine, 10 minutes of wrestling and he's gassing. Football is the most popular sport in the world, bar none, would you say that top level footballers like Cristiano Ronaldo are better athletes than Mayweather?
 
Point with all that is that to reach Cristiano Ronaldo level at football you really need to be unique athlete as the competition is insane. While one can be easier Nurmagomedov. MMA is a new sport and does not have the kids and the established number of athletes to compete in it to rise its levels.

We are not talking cardio and athleticism only here, we are talking about what an athlete has to go trough to be a number 1 in his sport. That has been my general point. Now I am not claiming that Ronaldo can beat Maywheater in boxing or in a fight. But I am claiming that if Ronaldo desides suddenly to change to fusbal he will be fucking great too. Maybe not the best but easily can transition to one of the best in fusbal too. As he is an established athlete at his prime and has competed in bigger competitions than there are available in fusbal. So the transition should not be hard for him. Fusbal is very similar to football, the same way boxing is similar to MMA, well perhaps not that similar.
 
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