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    A changing metabolism is not the issue at hand though.

    The issue at hand is that their metabolisms would normally be expected to rise after coming off the show, and they haven't. In fact, some have slowed even more, and the contestants have been show to have a significantly slower metabolism than the average person their own weight.

    You can see by the graph in the article that even as their weight increased, their metabolism actually dropped. That's not what should happen.
     
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    the biggest loser was a joke from the get go

    For one, people saying they lost 20 pounds in aw eek...yeah no they didnt, Ive spoken to people who have been on the aus version in various weight loss groups on bookface and such, theyve all said the weigh ins were not weekly, with most being at least three weeks apart. And yeah most re-gained the weight.

    It is not healthy at all to do what they have done. I lost 90 kg myself without going the absurd way of that show and have managed to keep it off now for over 2 years (now added muscle mass, training 5 times a week plus walking dog etc and eating a healthy/clean diet and obsessed with fitness tho)

    The metabolism does slow down and does pull back, but you have to adapt, over come and adjust

    OH well, flag me and say all you need to, I've said my part, lol former fat fuck doesnt know shit about weight loss
     
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    These people are too fat and lazy to get any real workouts done

    That is something I dont think you understand

    These people are the laziest and fatest people you can come across

    No normal diet is going to work for these people

    If they could just work out for 3-4 years they wouldn't be on the show in the first place
     
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    It legitimately said they could not afford to work out. Read it again or I’ll copy and paste the shit for you.
     
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    I can only assume you're referring to this:

    “Unfortunately, many contestants are unable to find or afford adequate ongoing support with exercise doctors, psychologists, sleep specialists, and trainers — and that’s something we all need to work hard to change,” he said in an email.

    That is the only reference that I remember saying anything about not being able to afford something. And first, he does say "many" contestants, not all or even most contestants.

    Second, he says they can't afford "adequate ongoing support with exercise doctors, psychologists, sleep specialists, and trainers." That's not saying they can't afford to workout. I can't afford any of that shit either but I can still manage to get together 10 bucks a month for my Planet Fitness membership. You don't need a trainer to work out--and you definitely don't need exercise doctors, psychologists or sleep specialists--you just need knowledge (which they would've gained on the show) and some equipment. I mean, shit, if nothing else they could just do P90X at home or something.

    And if that's not the part of the article that you're talking about, then yes, I'd like you to copy and paste it for me.
     
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    Oh, I understand it. The length of the show isn't enough to develop new habits and kill old ones. Therefore, most if the benefits are nil once they leave.
     
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    "Eventually, [Cahill] and the others were sent home for four months to try to keep losing weight on their own.

    Mr. Cahill set a goal of a 3,500-caloric deficit per day. The idea was to lose a pound a day. He quit his job as a land surveyor to do it.

    His routine went like this: Wake up at 5 a.m. and run on a treadmill for 45 minutes. Have breakfast — typically one egg and two egg whites, half a grapefruit and a piece of sprouted grain toast. Run on the treadmill for another 45 minutes. Rest for 40 minutes; bike ride nine miles to a gym. Work out for two and a half hours. Shower, ride home, eat lunch — typically a grilled skinless chicken breast, a cup of broccoli and 10 spears of asparagus. Rest for an hour. Drive to the gym for another round of exercise.

    If he had not burned enough calories to hit his goal, he went back to the gym after dinner to work out some more. At times, he found himself running around his neighborhood in the dark until his calorie-burn indicator reset to zero at midnight."
     
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    So 1 guy actually had the motivation to continue his workout after leaving the show

    That right there is some inspiring shit
     
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    They actually go home for about four months to continue working out on their own before the finale, and most do arrive at the finale having continued to lose weight after the end of the show.

    I think more credit needs to be given to these people that is happening in this thread.
     
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    I have changed my views a little bit
     
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    Are you not aware that there's a significant gap between the last regular episode of the show and the finale?

    All the contestants go home for a while to continue losing weight and nearly all of them show up at the finale lighter than they were when they were last seen on the show.

    Have you even actually watched an entire season of The Biggest Loser? If not, you should probably give that a shot. It's an interesting show.
     
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    What they and their trainers are able to do is remarkable but, ultimately, less effective than other methods. Some scrutiny should be on the trainers for either (A) knowing this and being less concerned than maybe they should be or (B) not knowing this and being less competent than presented.

    I haven't trained clients in 15 years but, even then with a mere ISSA home course cert, I was incredibly leery if those programs.
     
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    Well I agree. I mean, that's pretty much the whole premise of this thread, that the trainers on the show put these people through the ringer for ratings, and possibly did big time damage to their bodies in the process.

    But I don't question the desire, motivation or willingness of most of the contestants.
     
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    It shouldn't and can't happen. Like I said, of their metabolisms dropped as they gained weight they'd die, and in a world where that doesn't happen, they'd perpetually gain weight forever.

    But that's not how it works. Metabolisms aren't static, but there is a pretty general [and permanent] rule: The larger you are, the faster your metabolic rate. Calories are simply units of energy. It is physically impossible for a larger body to utilize less calories than a smaller body. It can't happen.

    So I'm calling bullshit on the study. There are a lot of fake/bullshit studies out. I'll read into the actual study and figure out how it went wrong. With a lot of metabolic studies, the fault comes in a self-reporting model.

    Like thin/fit people who swear they eat tons of food but if you actually count their calories, they eat far less than they think they do. Or fat people who eat far more than they realize.
     
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    Well once you've read it, come back and let us know where the fault lies.
     
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    I was hoping your link was to the study, but it was to the NIH wiki page.
     
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    Yeah, I have no idea if the study is publicly available.

    I also wanted to touch on something else you said:

    "Like I said, of their metabolisms dropped as they gained weight they'd die, and in a world where that doesn't happen, they'd perpetually gain weight forever."

    You are supposing here that with each reduction in weight, there's a corresponding reduction in metabolism. I don't think that's what the article is saying is happening. It's only saying that losing weight, or maintaining their current weight, is even harder now than it was before because of the impact the show had on their metabolism.
     
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    The presupposition is that one contestant has a metabolic rate worth 800kcals less than other people his size, which is absolutely ridiculous. I read the article (which didn't link directly to the study) and none of the contestants were put on medically supervised diets to monitor their metabolic activity. All but one contestant admitted to falling into old, poor eating habits. The one who didn't claims to be eating clean and without sugar, but it doesn't say whether or not her quantities have maintained at a healthy level. I'm vegan and obese for fuck's sake. It's not what you eat, but how much that determines your weight.

    All in all, it seems like the "study" was little more than casually observing people over a few years, who all went from a reality show in which they were doing nothing but exercising and eating tightly-rationed meals to lose weight, to going home to their own lives, where old habits die hard.
     
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    Well again, you seem to be supposing a lot. I don't think the article gives us enough information to know what did, or did not, go into the study the determine each contestant's metabolism.
     
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    I'm just getting started.
     
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