So can we have an actual discussion about Shogun?

Anthony Smith’s hairline was left off bad and boujee
 
One of them dieded the other one and went on to KO Prime Machida to be a champion, and the other got KO’d by Sokoudjou and retired to surf.

Chael beat the better one.


Of course do not let any of this distract you from the fact that Anthony Smith look like he got chia pet hair that’s still trying to grow in fully.
This is the list of fighters Chael Sonnen has lost to since he first joined the UFC:
  • Babalu Sobral - bjj/wrestling
  • Jeremy Horn - catch wrestling
  • Paulo Filho - bjj
  • Demian Maia - bjj
  • Anderson Silva - muay thai/bjj
  • Jon Jones - wrestling
  • Rashad Evans- wrestling
  • Tito Ortiz - wrestling
With the exception of Anderson, what is the one common thing about all of these fighter? They're all primarily grappling based fighters.
Chael has spent a career defeating strikers and losing to grapplers. That's his niche. Arona is the exact style of fighter he has struggled against his entire career.
 
STFU

Shogun just got old
and too many injuries

Prime Shogun would crucify most of these cans

He looked quite off this week
And didn't look himself in the octagon at all
So not surprised
And then when he threw that sloppy body shot that made no sense
I knew it was over
 
Shogun wasn't in his prime already when JBJ destroyed him. what are you all talking about? Some long dude just finished a guy with an elbow...shit happens
 
Stay long enough in the sport you'll lose. Shogun isn't a 20 something year old kid anymore. Experience only gets you so far when your body isn't what it used to be.

He was one of the best LHW's of his era back in Pride. Can't take that away from him.

As a fan you want him to hang it up and stop losing, but this is his job. Man's gotta eat.
 
STFU

Shogun just got old
and too many injuries

Prime Shogun would crucify most of these cans

He looked quite off this week
And didn't look himself in the octagon at all
So not surprised
And then when he threw that sloppy body shot that made no sense
I knew it was over
I thought the exact same thing when I saw the random body shot. It was a last ditch effort to at least hit him before being blasted into sleepy town.
 
Arona is a vale tudo based submission grappler with a long track record of ADCC competition with no standup game to speak of

Chael Sonnen is a freestyle wrestler, with experience in greco roman who has an underrated, if sloppy, southpaw standup game based around straight line left straights.

You're comparing them because they both shoot a double leg and are physical on top, despite the fact that they both have different finishes off their initial entry, and like doing different sorts of work from top position.

Your comparison is just as stupid as me picking two random lanky strikers and comparing them because they do Muay Thai, which of course ignores the vast variety in Muay Thai styles (not to mention regional and national variations and/or personal quirks).

Watch more MMA.
"Arona is a vale tudo based"

lulwut?
 
Arona is a vale tudo based submission grappler with a long track record of ADCC competition with no standup game to speak of

Chael Sonnen is a freestyle wrestler, with experience in greco roman who has an underrated, if sloppy, southpaw standup game based around straight line left straights.

You're comparing them because they both shoot a double leg and are physical on top, despite the fact that they both have different finishes off their initial entry, and like doing different sorts of work from top position.

Your comparison is just as stupid as me picking two random lanky strikers and comparing them because they do Muay Thai, which of course ignores the vast variety in Muay Thai styles (not to mention regional and national variations and/or personal quirks).

Watch more MMA.

Arona had some of the most powerful leg kicks ever delivered on his track record, Chael has a underrated standup game? Chael is putrid as far as striking abilities go. Both fighters are one dimensional top heavy grappers, that's why the comparison was made. Arona was also significantly bigger and stronger than Chael if you want to get technical.

I was unaware of Anthony Smith's long backround in Muay Thai though, thanks for educating me.

Make better threads, try a little less hard.
 
Now put it in the context of the topic of the thread, and there we have it
Oh, well then to stay in the context of the thread the only thing Chael owns is Jeremy Horn's ballsack in his face from all the triangle chokes.
 
He was the best fighter in the UFC at one point.

Pride Final Conflict was in 2005.

2005.

Just think about that.

But apparently Pride fighters don't age, there's no such thing as prime, they all just fought in Japan etc etc...


...despite a large percent of them coming to the ufc and taking all the belts.

Just stop TS.
 
Just another fight that shows that the UFC is much better than Pride ever was. A bunch of roided out can crushers in that org. A couple of good fighters like Hendo, but not much else.

Count the amount of ufc guys who won the Pride belt.

Count the number of Pride guys who won the UFC belt.



And let the regret of making that post wash over you.
 
In 2005, when PRIDE still allowed soccer kicks and head stomps, he was on fire. Jon Jones just changed the whole paradigm at that weight class.
 
...despite a large percent of them coming to the ufc and taking all the belts.
There was a time period where out of the 4 possible divisions that PRIDE and the UFC shared, all 4 divisions had champions that were either former PRIDE fighters or had a fighter that went to fight in Japan to make a name for themselves by beating a PRIDE champion (in essence making him a PRIDE champion himself).

People are silly.
 
He was great. His 2005 was probably the best year by a LHW ever. He won a pride grand prix AND a UFC title by destroying the Machida era. He was half of the besr fight in MMA history. Hes an all time great legend, not a GOAT, but a legend. What a stupid post.
 
Arona would tool Chael

Chael was Jeremy Horns personal punching bag/grappling dummy

People just don't understand how good Arona was.... prior to getting his life changed by Rampage, he only had 1 loss on his record , in which he went the distance w/ a PRIME FEDOR.
 
"Any version of him would have lost tonight."

Man, it's such a shame how MMA fans don't understand how age/injuries catch up to fighters.

Smith wouldn't have belonged in the same cage as an 05' GP Shogun, and would have gotten routed by even an 09' or 10' Shogun.

Fighters get old. It doesn't take away from their legacy, accomplishments, or abilities at their peak.

This is only Smith's fourth win against a fighter than even remotely matters, and all four were either way past their prime or totally shot.
No apparantly Shogun will be defined by his loss tonight. Like fuck , does any pro sport have greats disrespected like MMA
 
Considering his injuries,what he was able to do after shows a lot of blood and guts determination,and should be valued by those who worship at the altar of the JBG,Lord of all violence.
 
says he wants to have an actual discussion

Puts forth this unnuanced garbage lol
 
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