Should we have harsher penalties for people caught torturing animals?

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Everyone in a while you hear about some sadistic POS torturing a dog or cat. I personally feel that is a dangerous member of society that shows a reckless lack of empathy. Enough to warrent locking them away for a while.


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Yes. Absolutely.

However "torture" would have to be pretty clearly defined. Otherwise you'd have peta fucks calling for the imprisonment of guys who keep their dogs outside or farmers humanely culling livestock.
 
Harsher than what?

So sure. Abusing animals a pretty good indicator that someday these sick fucks would like to abuse human beings.


Anyway - as a cat lover, I believe Steven Avery is exactly where he needs to be right now.
 
PTSD in the Slaughterhouse

Slaughterhouse workers face physical dangers and psychological problems based on their work, according to studies.


There are approximately 1,100 federally inspected slaughterhouses in the United States, about 70 of which are in Texas. Most are in hinterlands such as Mineola, Muenster and Windthorst. The majority of these facilities slaughter and process animals, collectively employing thousands of workers who turn a constant stream of live creatures into an array of profitable by-products.

A farm animal entering the front door will reach the exit about 19 minutes later. It will do so not only as chops destined for domestic meat counters, but as pelts bound for Turkey, lungs sent to dog-treat manufacturers, bile for the pharmaceutical industry, caul fat (the lining of organs) for Native American communities and liver destined for Saudi Arabia (which, go figure, distributes cow liver globally). There’s no question that these operations are models of efficiency.

They’re also hidden sites of suffering. The emerging literature, including a study by the University of Windsor, on the psychological effects of slaughterhouse work on humans is startling. It’s often said that consumers are disconnected from the meat we eat. Rarely noted is the fact that the slaughterhouse is a site of unfathomable connectivity. The most intimate and bloodstained bond between humans and the animals we consume is forged between nearly voiceless slaughterhouse workers and the animals they’re employed to kill.

Slaughterhouse employees are not only exposed to a battery of physical dangers on the cut floor, but the psychological weight of their work erodes their well being. As one former abattoir employee attests in the book Slaughterhouse: The Shocking Story of Greed, Neglect, and Inhumane Treatment Inside the U.S. Meat Industry:

“The worst thing, worse than the physical danger, is the emotional toll. If you work in the stick pit [where hogs are killed] for any period of time—that let’s [sic] you kill things but doesn’t let you care. You may look a hog in the eye that’s walking around in the blood pit with you and think, ‘God, that really isn’t a bad looking animal.’ You may want to pet it. Pigs down on the kill floor have come up to nuzzle me like a puppy. Two minutes later I had to kill them. … I can’t care.”

It will come as no surprise that the consequences of such emotional dissonance include domestic violence, social withdrawal, drug and alcohol abuse, and severe anxiety. As slaughterhouse workers are increasingly being treated for post-traumatic stress disorder, researchers are finally starting to systematically explore the results of killing sentient animals for a living.

Amy Fitzgerald, a criminology professor at the University of Windsor in Canada, has found a strong correlation between the presence of a large slaughterhouse and high crime rates in U.S. communities. One might object that a slaughterhouse town’s disproportionate population of poor, working-class males might be the real cause, but Fitzgerald controlled for that possibility by comparing her data to counties with comparable populations employed in factory-like operations. In her study released in 2007, the abattoir stood out as the factor most likely to spike crime statistics. Slaughterhouse workers, in essence, were “desensitized,” and their behavior outside of work reflected it.

Humans eat meat—a lot of it. The average American consumes 212 pounds of meat a year. Naturally, in food-conscious places such as Austin, there will be a conspicuous percentage of consumers who buy animal products sourced from small farms and think themselves absolved from all this messiness. But the hard truth is otherwise.

Most “humanely” sourced animal products are slaughtered and processed in the same industrial slaughterhouses that provide animal products to fast-food joints. Farms that employ mobile slaughterhouse units—USDA-approved trucks that drive to the local farm and kill on site—are equally implicated. As one mobile slaughter worker noted, “It functions the same as any livestock facility, except it is much more condensed and put on wheels.”

Animal products these days are sold with a story: the animal was humanely raised, it was cage-free, it was free-ranged, it was pasture-fed, it’s hormone-free. Whatever. Excluded from these stories is the fact that an animal was killed. He or she was a sentient being who didn’t want to die. And the person who killed it—the person we almost never consider—has had to declare “I can’t care” to cope with the trauma of his job. This story, needless to say, won’t make it onto the label that’s designed to make us pay more and feel better about the animals we eat.

https://www.texasobserver.org/ptsd-in-the-slaughterhouse/
 
Death penalty should be an option for people who torture animals.
 
Yes, execute them

Also nuke China
 
What are the current penalties? There should be harsh punishment, but not to the extent that you're treating humans and animals equally imo...
 
Yes. Absolutely.

However "torture" would have to be pretty clearly defined. Otherwise you'd have peta fucks calling for the imprisonment of guys who keep their dogs outside or farmers humanely culling livestock.
Not exactly that simple. People would have to know the language of animal response to correctly know what is causing suffering versus what is not. That is a big and difficult hurdle especially when applying this to slaughtering animals. I often see people taking greater offense to acts where the animal is not suffering or suffering infinately less than the proper indications of distress. Its a science of language that people think they understand by applying their own assumptions and this is not necessarily correct and often wrong.
 
PTSD in the Slaughterhouse

Slaughterhouse workers face physical dangers and psychological problems based on their work, according to studies.


There are approximately 1,100 federally inspected slaughterhouses in the United States, about 70 of which are in Texas. Most are in hinterlands such as Mineola, Muenster and Windthorst. The majority of these facilities slaughter and process animals, collectively employing thousands of workers who turn a constant stream of live creatures into an array of profitable by-products.

A farm animal entering the front door will reach the exit about 19 minutes later. It will do so not only as chops destined for domestic meat counters, but as pelts bound for Turkey, lungs sent to dog-treat manufacturers, bile for the pharmaceutical industry, caul fat (the lining of organs) for Native American communities and liver destined for Saudi Arabia (which, go figure, distributes cow liver globally). There’s no question that these operations are models of efficiency.

They’re also hidden sites of suffering. The emerging literature, including a study by the University of Windsor, on the psychological effects of slaughterhouse work on humans is startling. It’s often said that consumers are disconnected from the meat we eat. Rarely noted is the fact that the slaughterhouse is a site of unfathomable connectivity. The most intimate and bloodstained bond between humans and the animals we consume is forged between nearly voiceless slaughterhouse workers and the animals they’re employed to kill.

Slaughterhouse employees are not only exposed to a battery of physical dangers on the cut floor, but the psychological weight of their work erodes their well being. As one former abattoir employee attests in the book Slaughterhouse: The Shocking Story of Greed, Neglect, and Inhumane Treatment Inside the U.S. Meat Industry:

“The worst thing, worse than the physical danger, is the emotional toll. If you work in the stick pit [where hogs are killed] for any period of time—that let’s [sic] you kill things but doesn’t let you care. You may look a hog in the eye that’s walking around in the blood pit with you and think, ‘God, that really isn’t a bad looking animal.’ You may want to pet it. Pigs down on the kill floor have come up to nuzzle me like a puppy. Two minutes later I had to kill them. … I can’t care.”

It will come as no surprise that the consequences of such emotional dissonance include domestic violence, social withdrawal, drug and alcohol abuse, and severe anxiety. As slaughterhouse workers are increasingly being treated for post-traumatic stress disorder, researchers are finally starting to systematically explore the results of killing sentient animals for a living.

Amy Fitzgerald, a criminology professor at the University of Windsor in Canada, has found a strong correlation between the presence of a large slaughterhouse and high crime rates in U.S. communities. One might object that a slaughterhouse town’s disproportionate population of poor, working-class males might be the real cause, but Fitzgerald controlled for that possibility by comparing her data to counties with comparable populations employed in factory-like operations. In her study released in 2007, the abattoir stood out as the factor most likely to spike crime statistics. Slaughterhouse workers, in essence, were “desensitized,” and their behavior outside of work reflected it.

Humans eat meat—a lot of it. The average American consumes 212 pounds of meat a year. Naturally, in food-conscious places such as Austin, there will be a conspicuous percentage of consumers who buy animal products sourced from small farms and think themselves absolved from all this messiness. But the hard truth is otherwise.

Most “humanely” sourced animal products are slaughtered and processed in the same industrial slaughterhouses that provide animal products to fast-food joints. Farms that employ mobile slaughterhouse units—USDA-approved trucks that drive to the local farm and kill on site—are equally implicated. As one mobile slaughter worker noted, “It functions the same as any livestock facility, except it is much more condensed and put on wheels.”

Animal products these days are sold with a story: the animal was humanely raised, it was cage-free, it was free-ranged, it was pasture-fed, it’s hormone-free. Whatever. Excluded from these stories is the fact that an animal was killed. He or she was a sentient being who didn’t want to die. And the person who killed it—the person we almost never consider—has had to declare “I can’t care” to cope with the trauma of his job. This story, needless to say, won’t make it onto the label that’s designed to make us pay more and feel better about the animals we eat.

https://www.texasobserver.org/ptsd-in-the-slaughterhouse/

you know PTSD gets used to often nowadays.

That's not PTSD, that's just part of the job.
 
Not exactly that simple. People would have to know the language of animal response to correctly know what is causing suffering versus what is not. That is a big and difficult hurdle especially when applying this to slaughtering animals. I often see people taking greater offense to acts where the animal is not suffering or suffering infinately less than the proper indications of distress. Its a science of language that people think they understand by applying their own assumptions and this is not necessarily correct and often wrong.
You're pretty much arguing my point for me.
 
Animals and children. Totally helpless. I am pro death penalty because of this shit.
 
Yes. Absolutely.

However "torture" would have to be pretty clearly defined. Otherwise you'd have peta fucks calling for the imprisonment of guys who keep their dogs outside or farmers humanely culling livestock.
Agreed. Although people who leave pets out in the winter deserve to be prosecuted.
you know PTSD gets used to often nowadays.

That's not PTSD, that's just part of the job.

Post traumatic stress is literally outlined in the article dude.. Did you even read it?

Soldiers dont have PTSD either by your logic since killing and picking up the body parts of your comrades is "part of the job".
 
whoops totally misread. torture needs to go away. i think all torture of any kind to anyone need to die and be tortured themselves.
 
Everyone in a while you hear about some sadistic POS torturing a dog or cat. I personally feel that is a dangerous member of society that shows a reckless lack of empathy. Enough to warrent locking them away for a while.


Discuss
Just saw this today.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/montreal/tortured-dogs-monteregie-1.3938653

SQ investigates after 2 dogs found tortured, strangled in Montérégie
‘I don’t want to explain exactly because it’s too cruel,” Sgt. Ronald McInnis says

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