Should we empathize with Lamas and should he have accepted the fight?

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by Ragnus, Dec 17, 2017.

  1. Ragnus K-1 Heavyweight Champion

    Ragnus
    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2016
    Messages:
    816
    Likes Received:
    1,690
    I couldn't help but empathize with lamas after the vicious KO, he looked really disheartened as the fight was going on I think he quickly realized that it was going to be a long night and seemed almost disappointed that he accepted the fight. This pity I had for Lamas was heightened as I found out his father was ringside to watch the violent ending. I can't help but feel Lamas should have had the courage to turn down the fight and for that he must take some self responsibility for what happened, Emmett won fair and square. A similar situation occurred with Tim Elliot but he chose to actually decline the fight which a lot of people thought was a "pussy move", I actually respected it though. Though i feel Lamas needs to take responsibility a bigger question needs to be asked about whether the UFC pressures you to fight by declining to pay you if you don't compete. Should the UFC pay fighters if they make weight and their opponent doesn't?
     
    #1
  2. DRMZ Blue Belt

    DRMZ
    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2015
    Messages:
    613
    Likes Received:
    1,017
    As the general consensus is some of these guys will be some 15/20lbs heavier than weigh in by the time they fight, I think a fighter has every right to decline a fight if an opponent misses significantly.

    If it's a LB or 0.5, something tiny - fair enough, but if a fighter doesn't even attempt to make the bout weight, they're going to be significantly bigger the next day.
     
    #2
  3. Gorkle Green Belt

    Gorkle
    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2013
    Messages:
    1,413
    Likes Received:
    1,989
    Well according to Sherdog, a fighter should be willing to and have to by law fight absolutely anyone at any given moment or they're ducking.
     
    #3
  4. Jawth Silver Belt

    Jawth
    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2011
    Messages:
    10,917
    Likes Received:
    5,071
    The three pounds probably didnt make a difference in a striking contest that ended quickly.

    Sucks for Lamas and he had three high profile fights (Penn, Zombie, amd Aldo) fall through in succession. Hope he doesnt plummet down the rankings too far and gets an okay fight next.
     
    #4
  5. Ragnus K-1 Heavyweight Champion

    Ragnus
    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2016
    Messages:
    816
    Likes Received:
    1,690
    i agree with most of what you said but the fact emmitt was 3pounds off and not like 1 pound off makes me assume when he and lamas were in the cage he was probably like 15pounds heavier than him and he had the advantage of not having to weight-cut hard.
     
    #5
    BokaBokte, TheGZA, fzoid4454 and 2 others like this.
  6. Jawth Silver Belt

    Jawth
    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2011
    Messages:
    10,917
    Likes Received:
    5,071
    Well, it was a relatively short camp for Josh and his first time dropping. Yes he failed, yes it is unprofessional and he was punished (you can DAMN sure bet he would have got a POTN bonus if he won, and he did lose part of his purse). I do think he tried making it and just couldnt.
     
    #6
  7. Ragnus K-1 Heavyweight Champion

    Ragnus
    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2016
    Messages:
    816
    Likes Received:
    1,690
    fair play, I can agree with all of that
     
    #7
    Zap and Mask Of Winters like this.
  8. soulsstealer Silver Belt

    soulsstealer
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2013
    Messages:
    10,578
    Likes Received:
    9,892
    no im glad he took the fight as should other fighters. fighters fight too less as it is. but ppl shouldnt care so much for a loss.

    reward active fighters win or lose. punish inactive ones.

    i dont respect tim, hes a gaint complainer. they do pay them just not all the extra that tim wants.
     
    #8
  9. executionermma Welcher Belt

    executionermma
    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2017
    Messages:
    2,729
    Likes Received:
    4,932
    Location:
    Brazil
    I was ok with Elliot refusing to fight, the problem was him asking to receive full money. That's absurd to me, if someone that refuses to fight a opponent that misses weight receives his full purse, how it would be fair to the ones that sitll does? Like Lamas? He took a chance and didn't worked for him, Elliot didn't, so of course Elliot shouldn't get full money.
     
    #9
  10. Ken's Sideburns Green Belt

    Ken's Sideburns
    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2008
    Messages:
    1,321
    Likes Received:
    523
    Location:
    lion's den jockstrap
    The UFC always pays you for showing up at making weight even if ur opening doesn't...unless you're talking about the win money
     
    #10
    FlowchartRog likes this.
  11. BluntForceTrama Purple Belt

    BluntForceTrama
    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2008
    Messages:
    2,446
    Likes Received:
    673
    The only thing I feel bad about is that Lamas's relatives in his entourage haven had to see that in person.

    That would've sucked.
     
    #11
    clutchCAT420, Zap and Ragnus like this.
  12. Cheapshart The Voice of Raisins

    Cheapshart
    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2015
    Messages:
    3,181
    Likes Received:
    5,219
    I want to see fights, not cancellations. That said, the UFC should smooth the way for fighters who save bouts (like Lamas) and create hurdles for the ones who put them in jeopardy (like Emmett).

    Emmett should not be in title contention after that bullshit.
     
    #12
  13. Canned Tuna Red Belt

    Canned Tuna
    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2009
    Messages:
    7,884
    Likes Received:
    2,657
    Location:
    St. Louis
    A champion should be required to fight anyone the promotion puts in front of them within 6 months or be at risk of being stripped depending on the circumstances around them not fighting. That's not unreasonable.

    Anybody who doesn't have a belt can do whatever they want. IDGAF
     
    #13
    Mask Of Winters likes this.
  14. Canned Tuna Red Belt

    Canned Tuna
    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2009
    Messages:
    7,884
    Likes Received:
    2,657
    Location:
    St. Louis
    Well, unless I'm mistaken, when an opponent misses weight the fighter receives 20% of the opponent's purse. That obviously shouldn't happen if they refuse to fight.

    IDK how I feel about demanding his normal purse for not fighting. It isn't the UFC's fault that the guy missed weight and they do offer compensation in the form of making the opponent forfeit a portion of the purse.
     
    #14
    Ragnus and Mask Of Winters like this.
  15. Aforo88 Green Belt

    Aforo88
    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2016
    Messages:
    1,202
    Likes Received:
    769
    Didnt Emmet take the fight on short notice? Its not bs to miss weight if u take a fight on short notice imo. Mabey Emmet should have called for catch weight before accepting the fight though.
     
    #15
  16. Croton Blue Belt

    Croton
    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2009
    Messages:
    743
    Likes Received:
    634
    Yes, Emmett took the fight on short notice and was only off by 2.5 pounds. He probably spent most of his camp trying to cut the weight. Lamas will also be getting part of his purse.
     
    #16
    Aforo88, 2GunTommy and Ragnus like this.
  17. jmmj Green Belt

    jmmj
    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2006
    Messages:
    1,152
    Likes Received:
    303
    I definitely had sympathy for him. It's a shitty spot to be put in, reasonable excuses or not.
     
    #17
    Ragnus likes this.
  18. jonnyboy316 Blue Belt

    jonnyboy316
    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2016
    Messages:
    550
    Likes Received:
    330
    I think Elliot’s opponent could not get below 131. 5 or 6 pounds at flyweight is far more significant to 2 to 3 pounds at Featherweight. I think UFC paying the show money and then rebooking Elliot within the next 2 months would be fair
     
    #18
    masterkiller214 likes this.
  19. masterkiller214 Yellow Card

    masterkiller214
    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2003
    Messages:
    597
    Likes Received:
    1,356
    Location:
    Parts Unknown
    If a fighter misses weight the fight should be placed in the category of exhibition. Have the fight, get paid, no one loses on paper. Then force the person unable to make weight fight in the heavier weight class like Dana did to Hendricks and Gastelum. Lamas is getting long in the tooth but doesn't deserve this loss. In the meantime Josh Emmett gets to interview talking about bonus money. Fuck that! Embarrassing..
     
    #19
    JeffDredd and tatsuke like this.
  20. 2GunTommy Black Belt

    2GunTommy
    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2015
    Messages:
    7,070
    Likes Received:
    6,962
    Location:
    Resting in the weeds.
    This. How can anyone be mad at the guy for not making weight. He took it on short notice and did the best he could.
     
    #20
    cherryzero, Nigol, Aforo88 and 2 others like this.

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "fd5733925866a04e50edd70f38dfaa35"
monitoring_string = "603ac9fff68f23709f2a42bf5e29272b"