Shields out struck Woodley.Colby CAN win.HERE'S HOW (many similarities with Shields vs Woodley)

[Bubblun]

Pull counter Mayweather style.

Woodley boxing got light years better compared to that Shields fight.
Colby can win if he drains Woodley, but that's easier said than done.

 

[CocoPuffs]

Since when are Colby Covington and Jake Shields comparable?

 

[Th3Sav4ge]

jake did not outstrike tyron. and jake should have lost that fight.

 

[Colby Goatington]

 

[PROlogic]

Pull counter Mayweather style.

Hahaha. You cant be serious? Oh my gosh lmao.

To even call that a Floyd pull counter, as if Woodley's pull counter there was anything great by boxing standards, is disrespectful to the sweet science of boxing.

To even call it a "Floyd pull counter" in the first place shows your ignorance. Floyd did not invent the pull counter, and many boxing greats, before Floyd was even born, were successfully utilising it. You are honestly sounding like a casual "Floyd pull counter"

Do you even know what a pull counter actually is?

That was Woodley hitting a cross counter over Maia's left

He hit a counter on BJJ specialist Maia. To even gloat about that shows how terrible Woodley is. Where are the other examples?

Did you know Maia the BJJ specialist also landed on Woodley lol

Woodley actually did hit a proper pull counter once during the fight on Maia (the knockdown gif which you posted)...But again that's Maia. That's like dropping an amature kid in the gym. Means little


This is what a pull counter looks like

And that's Conor doing it to someone who could actually box and who was much bigger/taller. So impressive of Conor.

NOW Conor's pull counter is like Floyds/is elite level boxing, in that Conor actually uses the same set up

I bet you won't even be able to tell me the set up on how to draw out a response for the pull counter

I will just tell you. Look at that gif of Conor brilliantly hitting a legit pull counter on a freaking Diaz brother.

Notice how Conor is leaning is head forward to appear as a closer target. Conor and Floyd use distance deception to set up their pull counters

The difference between an amature like Woodley, vs MASTERS like Conor/Floyd, is that Woodley waits for a response. Woodley would be very susceptible to being fiented out of his pull.

Where as actual masters like Conor/Floyd will dictate, control, and draw out the response on their own terms, so that they are always a step ahead..boom then pull and counter...

Woodley boxing got light years better compared to that Shields fight.

No

What you are seeing is Woodley in better match ups against opponents who are better suited for his style

Woodley is still ineffective without his right hand

And to take away his right hand, it's the same tactics.

If orthodox: Simply jabbing him(while mixing up with fients) to keep him continually off set and off balance. Footwork to avoid. Or press him against the fence to smoother his right hand


Southpaw: take the outside lead foot positioning to line up the left straights. Right hooks+pivots (explained in greater detail in the OP)


These are all tried and true tactics that work against most right hand heavy guys, ESPECIALLY WOODLEY since Woodley is literally rendered useless with out his right hand. Which is why Jake Shields of all people out struck him

Colby following the blue print wins 100% impressively

 

[Bubblun]

Hahaha. You cant be serious? Oh my gosh lmao.

To even call that a Floyd pull counter, as if Woodley's pull counter there was anything great by boxing standards, is disrespectful to the sweet science of boxing.

To even call it a "Floyd pull counter" in the first place shows your ignorance. Floyd did not invent the pull counter, and many boxing greats, before Floyd was even born, were successfully utilising it. You are honestly sounding like a casual "Floyd pull counter"

Do you even know what a pull counter actually is?

That was Woodley hitting a cross counter over Maia's left

He hit a counter on BJJ specialist Maia. To even gloat about that shows how terrible Woodley is. Where are the other examples?

Did you know Maia the BJJ specialist also landed on Woodley lol

Woodley actually did hit a proper pull counter once during the fight on Maia (the knockdown gif which you posted)...But again that's Maia. That's like dropping an amature kid in the gym. Means little


This is what a pull counter looks like

And that's Conor doing it to someone who could actually box and who was much bigger/taller. So impressive of Conor.

NOW Conor's pull counter is like Floyds/is elite level boxing, in that Conor actually uses the same set up

I bet you won't even be able to tell me the set up on how to draw out a response for the pull counter

I will just tell you. Look at that gif of Conor brilliantly hitting a legit pull counter on a freaking Diaz brother.

Notice how Conor is leaning is head forward to appear as a closer target. Conor and Floyd use distance deception to set up their pull counters

The difference between an amature like Woodley, vs MASTERS like Conor/Floyd, is that Woodley waits for a response. Woodley would be very susceptible to being fiented out of his pull.

Where as actual masters like Conor/Floyd will dictate, control, and draw out the response on their own terms, so that they are always a step ahead..boom then pull and counter...






No

What you are seeing is Woodley in better match ups against opponents who are better suited for his style

Woodley is still ineffective without his right hand

And to take away his right hand, it's the same tactics.

If orthodox: Simply jabbing him(while mixing up with fients) to keep him continually off set and off balance. Footwork to avoid. Or press him against the fence to smoother his right hand


Southpaw: take the outside lead foot positioning to line up the left straights. Right hooks+pivots (explained in greater detail in the OP)


These are all tried and true tactics that work against most right hand heavy guys, ESPECIALLY WOODLEY since Woodley is literally rendered useless with out his right hand. Which is why Jake Shields of all people out struck him

Colby following the blue print wins 100% impressively

I called it Mayweather pull counter because it's what Woodley called it.
Maybe you missed it, but this is Woodley instagram.



And this is a pull counter if i ever saw one.


And dude, just chill.
How dare someone have a different opinion that yours?

 

[xyzxyz94]

Using a fight from 5 years ago for comparison is a bad practice.

 

[dmwalking]

Not reading all that. But that fight was like 10 years ago. Woodley has gotten quite a bit better.

 

[PROlogic]

@Coolidge what up man

I called it Mayweather pull counter because it's what Woodley called it.
Maybe you missed it, but this is Woodley instagram.



And this is a pull counter if i ever saw one.


And dude, just chill.
How dare someone have a different opinion that yours?

No, I'm stating lots of facts

And anything opinion based is actual analysis

What was your opinion? What opinion of mine are you talking about?

 

[PROlogic]

Using a fight from 5 years ago for comparison is a bad practice.

Except if you had actually read the OP you would see that I'm not using the Jake Shields fight as MMA math

No where do I say "because Shields won, Colby will win"

I actually break dowm tactics that Colby could use to have his own success

This is why it's important to actually read the OP before responding @dmwalking

 

[Krev]

Shields also outstruck GSP for 2 rounds.

gsp ended shield 17 fights win streak

and gsp only lost rounds to shield after shield cheated and blinded him in one eye

prime woodley got clowned by past his prime shield

 

[Franklin U.]

I swear- there should be some sort of IQ fight test # posted with each member.
Woodley fought Shields in 2013 (I believe) which labels o.p useless and a waste of time.Why do people to continue to reference fights 5 + years ago.God has given you a brain- use it in a correct manner.
Marquadt knocked out T.Wood 6 years ago- what does that mean? -- absolutely nutt'n.

 

[kenetics]

Woodley is not a counter puncher.

The times he rocked Wonderboy was via bull rushing and charging with his right hand

Then AFTER Wonderboy was already HURT, Woodley continued to rock Wonderbody via staying close and punching with him

Woodley has never KOd anyone with a counter punch (his KO of Koscheck was a catch and shoot)


All of Woodley's big right hands and punch KOs come off of him coming forward


Woodley is 100% not skilled enough to counter Colby coming in

BUT if Colby is reckless there is a danger of him getting caught exchanging with Woodley in the pocket


IF he can't control the space and he backs up to Woodley, then he needs to be weary of Woodley's bullrushes (as Colby himself is not skilled enough to counter Woodley's predictable bullrushes)

I don't know if Colby can beat Woodley. Woodley has an insane TDD percentage and never loses to pure wrestlers

HOWEVER there is definitely a lot of similarities between Jake Shields vs Woodley - and Colby vs Woodley.

IF Colby is dead set on taking Woodley down, then he's going to lose.

IF Colby wants to win, his intention has to be, strike first, takedown second when it's there only opportunistically

He needs to do what Jake Shields did (wear him out on the fence, avoid the right hand/out strike him)

Keep Woodley on the fence and wear Woodley out. Never drop for the single. Woodley defends those and uses those to break away.

Colby needs to smoother Woodley in the clinch against the fence, then when he wants to strike, create space to land, then smoother again to shut down any return fire from Woodley

Colby has to dirty box. I want to see Colby put on a Randy like performance

On the feet, avoid the right hand. Simple enough. Here are specifics

Footwork is a good start. Step to the outside of Woodley's lead foot, and line up the left straights.

Utilize right hooks+pivots to not only circle Woodley toward the left straights, but to continually put himself out of line of Woodley's right hand (and out of position) while keeping the chin tucked behind the rear shoulder to deflect any rights just in case

You want to keep Woodly off set. Right hook and pivot out to Woodley's left side

And if he intends to jab to close in, to always be defensively responsible of the right hand response (orthodox vs southpaw)

And also mix up the speed of his jabs and fient to mix up. Would be beneficial to just straight up lead with the left when Woodley is expecting Colby to close distance behind a jab. Even bait Woodley's right hand with a pump jab/fake then dip low to his right as he counters inside of the right with a left.

Also look to counter Woodley's jabs with counter lefts (right hooks too)

The gameplan is there to easily exploit Woodley, and Colby 100% has the tools to accomplish every bit of it

Woodley knows this and this is why Woodley is trying to bait Colby into only going for takedowns/looking for takedowns

I'm really interested to see how Colby approaches this

You watch the Jake Shields fight and Colby is a way better striker with a better clinch game who has far more attributes then Jake. It shows you Colby is capable of winning decisively

Did not read. Woodley by tko.

 

[NaughtyBoy]

He also countered Condit several times. TS is delusional.

 

[kenetics]

gsp ended shield 17 fights win streak

and gsp only lost rounds to shield after shield cheated and blinded him in one eye

prime woodley got clowned by past his prime shield

You sound like a straight hater lol.

 

[Threetrees]

No, I'm stating lots of facts

And anything opinion based is actual analysis

What was your opinion? What opinion of mine are you talking about?

Why did you quote me for this

 

[High Altitude]

Colby’s only chance is to push the pace and out cardio him. No way he out strikes woodley. Colby has to smother him, make him constantly work the whole fight.