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I'm not in the club but I'd like to be.
If you really want to, I'm sure it could be arranged. . .
I'm not in the club but I'd like to be.
Awesome find. That's what I was saying to Europe is that this film has a rather huge cult following to this day and it really makes different sense compared to what Carpenter may have intended. They Live in this current time has a much different meaning than a problem with Reaganomics. It has in many ways become a symbol of awakening to any number of things and Piper realized that.
Although, I always thought it was a little off that the gun he uses to blow up the dish controlling the world is this tiny little peashooter, but that's just me nitpicking. Unless there's some metaphor there I'm not picking up on.
Awesome movie nonetheless.
If you really want to, I'm sure it could be arranged. . .
My biggest issue now with trying to get information is something we've talked about before: How do you know what to trust? For instance, if you watch a documentary, how do you know the information is being presented honestly and accurately? Or if you read a book, you face the same questions. Is the information accurate? Is it being spun to serve some agenda? Is there information being left out that could change the tone and color of this conversation?
THAT is really what makes studying these kinds of subjects such a clusterfuck.
The two worked at WTVT, a Fox television station in Tampa, Florida, and were described as a “television dream team.” Akre was a former CNN anchorwoman and reporter, Wilson a three-time Emmy Award winner whom Penthouse described as “one of the most famous and feared journalists in America.” Their four-part news series on rbGH was scheduled to begin on February 24, 1997. It was going to expose Monsanto’s lies to the world, and show how the milk from treated cows was dangerously linked to cancer.
Well, I love this movie, its one of my favorites from my youth. Classic 1980's and with a deeper message. Obey, Consume, Submit, Watch T.V., Conform, Sleep, This is Your God (Mammon), etc. These are the very things that feel like lay under the surface of American life.
A consumer driven society where society is controlled by the very system "they live" within. They Live is about having an awakening to the realities of our culture, an awakening that most people never have for some reason. Its not so much, at least for me, about aliens subverting culture, even though they are very reptilian, that's another rabbit hole. I don't want to throw all the bullets on the table at once so I'm going to keep these posts bite sized.
Our entire system of government, and society, and corporatism, is the real life realization of the movie They Live. If you would have told me when I was a teenager that someday banks would check credit and deny something as basic as a checking account based on credit score, and employers would deny jobs based on credit score, I would have laughed in your face and yet that is exactly what happened. Our entire system of credit is the biggest scam ever, designed to keep the majority a slave to debt and controlled by their debt score.
Our government has set up a Big Brother style surveillance state and our federal reserve banking system demands we spend more, consume, consume, consume, or we are threatened that the economy will collapse. Everything about our media, our capitalism, our government, says don't think, just consume more, work, reproduce, die.
And of course the fight scene which runs over 5 minutes and is glorious.
9/10
When I started to really get into politics I was working in a mailroom and I could do my days work (sorting and delivering mail) in about an hour, so I had 6-7 hours a day to read.
Every day I would pick a few news stories that interest me and then read the same story from every outlet that covered it.
I quickly noticed that major difference between the independent media sites and the mainstream ones were omissions of information.
So I started to read more from the independent news sites and I learned about Steve Wilson and Jane Akre.
They were both fired and FOX refused to let the story air. Monsanto threatened to stop advertising their products on FOX networks. The news is slanted to serve the needs of those who advertise through FOX (or any major network)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-smith/monsanto-forced-fox-tv-to_b_186428.html
Through listening to punk music I learned of Noam Chomsky and from there I discovered Z magazine: https://zcomm.org/zmag/
Noam Chomsky is a staunch critic of the New York Times, yet the New York Times called Noam Chomsky "arguably, the most important intellectual alive" ... when your enemies say that about you, that says a ton about your integrity. Chomsky writes for Z magazine (pretty much for free) and he endorses all their authors, whom are friends of his.
Z magazine is a non-profit group, and they survive solely off of members sponsorships. The writers don't get paid much at all but that's not why they do it and they're almost all University professors or successful authors in their own rights (through independent book publishers)
The authors have no need to lie, they can speak freely on the subjects of their own choosing, but they're academics so they approach researching the subject with the utmost of professionalism. Noam Chomsky and Z magazine are about as trustworthy a source as you're going to get.
Chomsky and his group of like-minded friends have done a ton of work to uncover the connections between big business and the media.
John Pilger is another great source. He's a former BBC award winning reporter, that makes documentaries. He goes to the dangerous hot spots and seeks out the news for himself. He was in Cambodia speaking to the Khmer rouge soldiers a week after the war ended. He goes and shows you the news for yourself, first hand, and John is just one of those guys that doesn't give a damn who he's upsetting, he's going to show you the truth. He funds the documentaries himself with the money he makes as a mainstream journalist, and he covers the stories they won't on his own dime.
Pilger produced the documentary "the War on Democracy" that I nominated during my last round. He shows you the actual footage of CIA operatives shooting crowds of Chavez supporters (to get them to open fire on the crowds of their opposition in retaliation), then he shows you the mainstream media coverage calling Chavez a terrorist and demonizing him. Then he interviews Chavez himself. He even tries to interview the right-wing Guerillas that illegally overthrew Chavez with CIA support.
1. with this movie is that it just ends sooooo abruptly....it honestly seemed like the movie is just wrapped up perfectly in 15 minutes. from the portal to the alien lair with all the "collaborators" to Roddy givin the aliens the finger.
2. the movie doesn't have a lead villain when it could have used one. Roddy flips off random alien henchman helicopter pilot as a last "fuck you" to the system thats bringing everyone down...the only person he kills is crazy-eye-meg-turner
Way better than I thought it would be. 8.5/10
I think the film would have had more success in 1988 if it was just more of a typical horror film.
I can see where you're coming from, but I actually liked that. It's a snappy, fast-paced film without a lot of downtime. And at just over 90 minutes, I feel like it gets in, punches hard, and gets out before it wears out its welcome.
I actually have noticed lately that I have really come to appreciate the ~90 minute film. A lot of movies have too many sequences where the film starts to drag. But when you only have 90 minutes to tell a story, you have to make sure that each scene counts.
Yeah, there's not a traditional "big bad" but I actually liked that in this one. Why? Because it illustrates the point that the enemy really is THE SYSTEM. It's not some individual at the top, it's the whole fucking thing. Powerful people come and go, but the system remains.
And yah I guess it was just lame seeing Piper die to the system
Yeah, it's funny you mention that because someone earlier referred to the "happy ending"--I think maybe it was @BeardotheWeirdo?--and I was like, "Well, I mean both of our heroes are dead by the end so I'm not sure how fucking happy that is. . ."
Damn, now that's the kind of job I'd like to have!
Interesting tactic.
Independent sites like what exactly?
Damn, that's pretty crazy. But at the same time I'm not surprised.
I have a little personal story that taught me a lot about how the media works. A while back I took a journalism class at the local community college and ended up being hired as a staff writer for the school paper. While I was there, a guy wanted to do a negative story on a local bookstore that sold textbooks--I can't remember what the angle was, but it was something that didn't make them look good--but the Editor in Chief told him he couldn't write the story because the bookstore was one of their top advertisers.
I was shocked. Here we are, constantly being told in class that we're supposed to be objective and doggedly chase down the truth, and they're not going to run a story because of advertising. That opened my eyes in a big way.
Cool, thanks for the info. I'll have to look more into all of this.