Right, sure. I probably misrepresented my point to a degree -- the idea that the evidence of COINTELPRO was simply there for the taking and nobody knew is not what I mean. My point is that these acts are exposed with proof, rather than without; yes it's not simply in the library in the "state secrets" section and simply no one went in there, it's that the evidence is found and then the corruption is exposed. So when you say "we definitely do have enough evidence NOW to prove the big conspiracies that are known to all. But of course they didn't start that way.", that's a little inaccurate. The corruptions are exposed with evidence; a conspiracy theory backed with real evidence is the only one really worth talking about. And of course that includes leaked documents and whistleblowers. So when the NSA is spying on Americans, we find out about it with evidence. Sorry for the thread derailment. This is why I'm not invited to movie clubs. Or parties. Or really anywhere.