Shaolin Kung Fu fighter - Yi Long KO'd while showboating like Silva

[amilster]

Most of the techniques Shaolin Monks use are banned in kickboxing and MMA. Shooting fireballs and electricity out of your hands was officially banned in the Unified Rules in 1997.

ghehehe reply made me lol :icon_lol:

 

[Sinister]

Keep laughing:

 

[Kframe]

I am leaning more towards the fact he was a sanda guy. Of the limited knowledge I have of legit kung fu I saw none of the trademark defenses. A lot of traditional kungfu is big on open hand parries. Now im not really talking about the new stuff like Wing chun.

Most legit styles went extinct with the rise of Communism. The only one that is still around that is even moderately old is Tai chi and its off shoots. Im not sure how it survived.

Been watching videos of some of there advanced practinioners sparring, and they use a hell of a lot of various parries. Not just the slap kind you see a lot of mma guys using.

Here is a few videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc6rKNGQFPo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2Tz3DfoAH4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ItHtTqY2OE These guys are not very good but still sparring and you can see their styles preference for parrying and some surprisingly karate like blocking movements which I was surprised by.

Oddly I cant find many good videos.. So few are doing it for martial arts and I find that sad.

Its to bad its nearly impossible to find martial tai chi, as at my age id love to study it.

 

[CombatCyborg]

Interesting how he eats a few punches that looked like they had more power behind them, but the short hook on the button that turns his head just so, turns the lights off.

 

[Harukaze]

Yi Long is not an ordained Shaolin monk as he does not (have the right to) use the surname Shi; he was a layman, live-in martial arts student at the Shaolin temple.

I am leaning more towards the fact he was a sanda guy. Of the limited knowledge I have of legit kung fu I saw none of the trademark defenses. A lot of traditional kungfu is big on open hand parries. Now im not really talking about the new stuff like Wing chun.

Most legit styles went extinct with the rise of Communism. The only one that is still around that is even moderately old is Tai chi and its off shoots. Im not sure how it survived.

Been watching videos of some of there advanced practinioners sparring, and they use a hell of a lot of various parries. Not just the slap kind you see a lot of mma guys using.

Here is a few videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc6rKNGQFPo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2Tz3DfoAH4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ItHtTqY2OE These guys are not very good but still sparring and you can see their styles preference for parrying and some surprisingly karate like blocking movements which I was surprised by.

Oddly I cant find many good videos.. So few are doing it for martial arts and I find that sad.

Its to bad its nearly impossible to find martial tai chi, as at my age id love to study it.

There's a lot of misinformation in your post above: 1.) kung fu isn't a unified martial art, it's actually more of a catch-all term for Chinese martial arts, which vary greatly from style to style -- hence you can't generalize large parries and large arm movements as being "typical" of all CMA's; 2.) CMA didn't die out with the communist takeover, it just left Mainland China for places like Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, and the United States, 3.) Wing chun is not a "new" style by any stretch. I think it's hard to really get into the core of traditional, legit CMA without being a part of the Chinese diaspora or at least living in a place with a large Chinese community (take SF Chinatown for example -- many of the Southern styles still flourish there, including hung gar, wing chun, choy li fut, White Crane, etc., and are still taught by instructors from the "old world").

If you're interested in the modern state of Chinese martial arts, the Hong Kong equivalent of PBS/BBC did a full series of documentaries covering various styles. The translations are not 100%, but they're good enough to get the main points across.
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJOQyLSZVcezq0gYfkIGdhQ/videos

Regarding tai chi for martial applications, most Chen and Wu (NOT Wu-hao) schools focus more on that, but they are much rarer than Yang style schools that generally do not emphasize martial application (and even if they do, they system is fundamentally inferior to the Chen and Wu styles IMHO). If you watch the RTHK documentary on tai chi from the link I posted above, you'll get a good idea.
(Personal note: my dad practiced Chen-style Tai Chi on and off and I used to train with him on weekends; I can say that practicing Chen style tai chi helped my Muay Thai by teaching me how to be less rigid and how to use more core more to better transfer power from my base. It also improved my clinch by making it tighter and "heavier" without more output of strength on my part).

 

[ironwolf]

Kung fu is so stupid. I've fought several Kung fu guys, they are bullshit.

 

[jmadtx]

lol

 

[flamingredhead]

Did anyone else notice Cecil Peoples awesome move at the beginning of round 2 haha?

 

[EndofDays]

People confuse Chinese martial arts with choreographed movie fighting.

 

[Paradigm]

Did anyone else notice Cecil Peoples awesome move at the beginning of round 2 haha?

didnt watch the vid, but im guessing its his trademark round starting move:

 

[Kframe]

The actual history of Wing chun is shaky at best but from what I have read on other forums it is only about 200 years old. Not that old honestly.

You are correct I should not have over generalized about kung fu. My exposure to traditional CMA like tai chi have painted my view on them. TBH I don't know if the quality of tai chi I saw was any good.

 

[Harukaze]

The actual history of Wing chun is shaky at best but from what I have read on other forums it is only about 200 years old. Not that old honestly.

You are correct I should not have over generalized about kung fu. My exposure to traditional CMA like tai chi have painted my view on them. TBH I don't know if the quality of tai chi I saw was any good.

200 years old is old enough haha -- you figure tai chi, which is considered one of the "old" CMA's, can only be objectively traced to the 17th century (its descent from Wudang Mountain and proliferation by Zhang Sanfeng is very apocryphal at best). If you want the pinnacle of tai chi, look up Chen Xiaowang: he has the best form, best power generation, best base, best understanding, and best non-compliant application in the world. His brother, Chen Xiaoxing, is also very skilled and technically brilliant.

If you watch the RTHK documentary I posted earlier, you'll get a glimpse of both of these gentlemen's tai chi.

 

[emax]

I've seen this guy before on youtube. As you've noted, this is his 'thing.' He lowers his head and walks into punches. I don't think it has anything to do with his style or his strategy, it's almost his 'trademark.' Likely, it is his way of being a 'bigger name' and how he gets promoters to pay him more. I wouldn't recognize him if I didn't remember him just walking into bombs like they were nothing.

Alas, either his chin is fading or that American packs a fuck ton of a punch.

Has Yong Li fought and beaten any American fighters at the same level as Pickthall who specialize in either Muay Thai or boxing? Was Pickthall the first American boxer or Thai boxer he has ever faced?

 

[emax]

If there are real Shaolin Monks left, they are probably avoiding both fight competitions and MA demonstrations like the plague. They are probably avoiding modern civilization entirely and finding them, as far as difficulty, would probably be somewhere between the Loch Ness Monster and the Kraken.

Incidentally, are there instances of Shaolin Kung Fu fighters, or any related fighters including Wushu, Sanda or Sanshou, having any kind of notable success against elite boxers, MT boxers or grapplers of any kind? This could be in an MMA, kickboxing or any other scenario. Cung Le is the only real example I know of.

 

[Terror Zone]

There's this channel here Fox Sports San Diego that plays local Muay Thai fights sometimes (usually fights that happened at Pala and other casinos) and a clip of that KO is shown during commercials all the time, I always wondered what the fuck was going on leading up to it.

Guys can drop their hands, show some gamesmanship and brace for the impact of straight punches but a hook that lands on the button like that will do it every time.

 

[Harukaze]

If there are real Shaolin Monks left, they are probably avoiding both fight competitions and MA demonstrations like the plague. They are probably avoiding modern civilization entirely and finding them, as far as difficulty, would probably be somewhere between the Loch Ness Monster and the Kraken.

Depends on what you mean by "real". If you mean ordained monks of the Shaolin order, i.e. those who have the right to take up the surname "Shi", then yes, there are many, MANY of those. But most of them aren't involved in the martial arts for preservation of tradition, health, or self; they're in it to make money.

If you're referring to Shaolin monks that pursue an ascetic lifestyle and maintain the traditional martial arts for self-defense, healthy practice, and cultural preservation, there are those too, but they are exceedingly rare today. They're up on Mt. Song in Henan province.

The documentaries I posted earlier in this thread have an episode on Shaolin that outlines the huge cultural schism in the order today. Here it is if you don't want to sift through the index:

 

[emax]

Depends on what you mean by "real". If you mean ordained monks of the Shaolin order, i.e. those who have the right to take up the surname "Shi", then yes, there are many, MANY of those. But most of them aren't involved in the martial arts for preservation of tradition, health, or self; they're in it to make money.

If you're referring to Shaolin monks that pursue an ascetic lifestyle and maintain the traditional martial arts for self-defense, healthy practice, and cultural preservation, there are those too, but they are exceedingly rare today. They're up on Mt. Song in Henan province.

The documentaries I posted earlier in this thread have an episode on Shaolin that outlines the huge cultural schism in the order today. Here it is if you don't want to sift through the index:

Thanks for that info. I also asked this:


Incidentally, are there instances of Shaolin Kung Fu fighters, or any related fighters including Wushu, Sanda or Sanshou, having any kind of notable success against elite boxers, MT boxers or grapplers of any kind? This could be in an MMA, kickboxing or any other scenario. Cung Le is the only real example I know of.

And this: Has Yong Li fought and beaten any American fighters at the same level as Pickthall who specialize in either Muay Thai or boxing? Was Pickthall the first American boxer or Thai boxer he has ever faced?

Do you have any insight on either of these questions?

 

[Harukaze]

I don't have too much insight regarding your other questions, unfortunately. All I can say is, you may want to try watching Wulinfeng (武林&#39080 -- it's basically the Chinese K-1 with really wonky refereeing and very questionable judging, but it's a place where you can see sanda and other CMA practitioners fighting each other and international opponents (including Albert Kraus and Saenchai!) full contact. They're the ones that basically "discovered" and starting hyping Yi Long like nobody's business LOL. Be forewarned though, you might get upset with the poor officiating and the poor skillset displayed in the majority of matches like I do though haha, so be forewarned (it's basically the reason why I stopped watching).

 

[emax]

I don't have too much insight regarding your other questions, unfortunately. All I can say is, you may want to try watching Wulinfeng (武林&#39080 -- it's basically the Chinese K-1 with really wonky refereeing and very questionable judging, but it's a place where you can see sanda and other CMA practitioners fighting each other and international opponents (including Albert Kraus and Saenchai!) full contact. They're the ones that basically "discovered" and starting hyping Yi Long like nobody's business LOL. Be forewarned though, you might get upset with the poor officiating and the poor skillset displayed in the majority of matches like I do though haha, so be forewarned (it's basically the reason why I stopped watching).

In that case, where do I look for people who are as proficient at Sanda and other CMAs as the world's best Thia and Western boxers are at their combat sport? If I want to see that instead of poor skill sets, where do I go? Or is Sanda/Sanshou.KungFu/Wushu different from boxing and MT in that everyone, Chinese or otherwise, who does it somehow manages to suck at it?

 

[Harukaze]

In that case, where do I look for people who are as proficient at Sanda and other CMAs as the world's best Thia and Western boxers are at their combat sport? If I want to see that instead of poor skill sets, where do I go? Or is Sanda/Sanshou.KungFu/Wushu different from boxing and MT in that everyone, Chinese or otherwise, who does it somehow manages to suck at it?

If you want to see quality sanda, you'd probably want to watch... sanda matches from Mainland China LOL. Try searching around for it in Chinese 「散打」; chances are you'll get a lot of Wulinfeng events though (it's popularity has overshadowed standard sanda matches because of the whole silly "China vs. The World" thing).