Shamefully we're just condemning Jon Jones before the process is done?

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  1. Threetrees Bored

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    What is this nonsense?

    What about presumption of innocence?

    People are pretending that Jones is automatically a cheater, and it doesn't make any sense

    ALL we know is that Turinabol was in his system
    We don't know if it was a high enough dose to be effective, we don't know how it got there, we don't know if a supplement was just tainted. We know he was clean during out of competition tests, but was caught in competition something that even the CSAC director said was very strange, Novitsky implied as much as well, and a PED expert says that the tests lack credibility

    But yet all you internet experts are out here thinking you know exactly how it went down

    There will be a lot of crow to eat when USADA has to give him the minimum because he has a reasonable reason for Turinabol being in his system

    I for one will reserve my judgement and treat the man as innocent until he has been PROVEN guilty
     
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    He's lost all rights to the benefit of the doubt at this point.
     
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    Come on Doc, you're a Duke grad.
     
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    Wrong

    The court of public opinion continues to pass judgement without facts or evidence under false assumptions.

    He still has the right to the benefit of the doubt, and rational reasonable fans will give it to him.
     
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    You're right, he's probably innocent.

    Good call.
     
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  9. Defeat Unknown Double Yellow Card

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    Well, his history has a play in this. He literally just came off of a suspension, only to be suspended immediately.

    Even if it's some bullshit like tainted supplements, he's at fault for not knowing what he's putting into his body.

    He can't use the dickpills excuse again. He's got to come up with something new this time.

    We're at a point now in the sport where these athletes can't just take random supplements. They need to know what they're taking. And if they aren't sure, they need to stop using what they're using.
     
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    This is reasonable, but different than a foolhardy attempt to vacate all of the man's accomplishments because of a failed test BEFORE the facts are out. Even more so when you consider that the facts WILL come out.
     
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    I'm not passing any type of judgement on him. He's already guilty for failing both this A and B sample. He's a repeat offender and a habitual liar and will be suspended accordingly. Unless you are trolling, you should save that soap box you are standing on for issues that really matter.
     
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    To me, the evidence against him is TOO overwhelming. Not just in this case, but in all of them.

    Gets a Bentley from the boss, and crashes it right after talking about not getting a DUI.

    An "out of competition" coke test that should have never been administered.

    A "hit and run" with a pregnant woman that probably cut him off.

    Tainted supplements to discourage his name.

    And now this turinabol shit that shows up "all of the sudden" during his fight, but didn't show up for any of his other tests.

    If you can't see that they are out to get him, then you are fucking blind.
     
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    What does going to a school that's known for basketball and literally nothing else have anything to do with this.
    Jon wasn't a basketball player their so Coach K(the unofficial president of the school) is probably mad at him.
     
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    Will the facts come out?

    Do you believe the dickpill story? Seems pretty goofy to me.

    I'm pretty forgiving when it comes to "tainted supplements". But when it happens twice consecutively.... less forgiving.

    He gets an opportunity to tell his side of the story, I just hope it's a good one.
     
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    Huge difference between court and the court of public opinion. Whether or not he somehow gets off from this specific thing, no one will trust him again and for good reason
     
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    Edgy Brah avatar and President of the Official Sherdog Flat Earth Fan Club, sounds about right
     
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    The constitution says no such thing. Jones is innocent
     
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    Fair enough honestly
     
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    I guess that's a decent troll attempt.

    Jones being guilty is simply the most likely answer, based on everything we already know about the man. There's nothing wrong with reasonable conjecture.
     
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