Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D) Introduces Bill: Border Patrol+ICE Must Document Every Stop

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  1. Tropodan

    Tropodan Red Belt Platinum Member

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    Illegal immigrants have constitutional rights?
     
  2. Trotsky

    Trotsky Social Capitalist / Capitalistic Communist

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    (A) yes

    (B) not every citizen who gets or could be molested by ICE is an undocumented immigrant. Plenty are citizens and LPR's
     
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    Tropodan Red Belt Platinum Member

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    Undocumented immigrants are citizens? How does B qualify A? I'm not talking about legal immigrants being detained by ICE, if that's happening it's wrong.

    Are you saying that illegal immigrants specifically have constitutional rights?
     
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    The border patrol is out of control, there was a story a while back where they set up a roadblock 70 miles or so from the Canadian border and unconstitutionally searched the people they stopped.
     
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    You're both half right. They do have some rights but not the same rights as a citizen.
    http://www.cultureoflife.org/2018/01/16/illegal-immigrants-constitutional-rights/
     
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    Trotsky Social Capitalist / Capitalistic Communist

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    Yes, this does happen fairly often, but to what extent we do not know. Hence, bills like this. Just look at Joe Arpaio's conduct: and he wasn't even tasked with immigration control.

    Yes, albeit limited ones
     
  7. Tropodan

    Tropodan Red Belt Platinum Member

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    Is there tangible evidence this occurs more than a few anecdotes? A source like that could end this thread.
     
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    JamesRussler You can call me Jimmy Yellow Card

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    I am baffled that these people think illegal aliens need more protection under our laws. And they wonder why Trump won. Personally, I'd favor immediate deportation, with mandatory executions for anyone caught more than once.
     
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    Mandatory executions? Nah, that's far too extreme for me.

    Also, I'm interested in protecting civil rights here, but it has to be balanced with allowing ICE/CBP to do their jobs unfettered.
     
  10. Jack V Savage

    Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog

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    So Gillibrand's history of being a strong supporter of a tight border means ... her civil-rights support is a front for her secret plan to undermine border security? And that's a reasonable suspicion IYO. And you make no assumptions about the bill, but you say repeatedly that it shouldn't be judged on the merits of the ideas discussed because the bill will probably be bad, and it will be defeated by reasonable opposition.

    I disagree with your assumptions and with your high regard for the reasoning skills of the majority of Congress.
     
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    I like the idea as long as its polished. If somebody is being detained or specifically questioned then I support this. If their vehicle gets stopped and they are a sort of "collateral damage" then a report shouldn't have to be made.

    Maybe make it a single report per event. This ensures documentation without being an unreasonable burden
     
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    Do you recognize any tension between your belief that law enforcement should be allowed to do their job unfettered and your position on the special counsel? Or does tribalism (and how you feel about the suspects) outweigh any principle?

    You also didn't answer if you think it's good that law enforcement pried into the home of a suspected non-violent offender with guns drawn and pointed at children (who, NB, were not suspects) while refusing to show a legal right to enter.
     
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    Ignoring your partisan attacks, I fail to see why the Democrat left would put forth this law that has no chance of passing and even if it did, wouldn't help them in the first place.

    Also, I fail to see how more paper work is a conservative thing.
     
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    Simple if you can get open borders then bury them in paper work to slow down those guarding the border as much as possible.

    I have no problem with making sure they document interactions but only to a degree that makes sense.
     
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    Read.

    They were legal.

    https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone
     
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    Isn't there already data out there to support the effectiveness of ICE/Border Patrol?

    And I'm actually sort of surprised that with Trump in office folks haven't tried to get all of those decisions granting illegals constitutional rights (well, except for voting, gun ownership and some federal employment) overturned.
     
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    Every stop/interaction? Doubtful . . . but those that result in folks being detained until deported? Most likely.
     
  19. Fawlty

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    It's obvious why Democrats would be interested in increased accountability along with increased enforcement.

    The conservative political party should be all about crunching the numbers to see if programs are delivering as promised. Especially since we're spending more money and hiring more agents.

    This seems like something both parties should want.
     
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    Of course you don't . . . you aren't the one doing it. o_O:rolleyes:

    I don't care if they're just talking to someone and don't need to see a write-up for each one unless they're taken into custody.
     

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