Sen. Collins a No on GOP Health Care Bill.

PolishHeadlock said:
Cruz and rand will flip if they are the deciding votes. It's not over until 10/1.
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Why would Rand Paul behave differently this time. McCain voted after Paul voted no in the last vote and it was unclear how MCain would vote. Also, the last bill was a straight repeal.
 
Diamond Jim said:




That's the third no. Bill isn't going to pass right now.
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Let's hope it stays that way.

I don't trust Rand Paul to actually stick to his guns and vote against the party (when it matters).

McCain will probably stay a "no" b\c his issue was with the procedural sleaziness of the bill rather than the content, and that can't change. Plus, what the fuck does McCain care about ramifications at this point.

I think, at the end if the day, Murkowski will be a no because Alaska would get fucked hard. Although they are currently trying to Jerry rig the bill to "fix" that.

Cruz has said he is not sold but I trust that about as much as I trust his claim that one of his staffers "accidentally" like porn from his Twitter.

Collins has brass balls, though. One of the few senate Republicans who does what she thinks is right despite what the Koch Brothers say.

Whippy McGee said:
Hearts? My insurance deductible went up to $12,700 for a family of three, my premium is through the roof, and yes, I lost my doctor. My experience is a common one for anyone working for a Small Business. This is just another nail in the coffin for Small Businesses. Over time the impact on the economy is devastating as well on health care treatment. Expect the economy to slip if the markets think the Republicans are going to fail here.
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Sounds like you need to support single payer, my friend.
 
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*Z* said:
The point is even if you think it's bad now, the republican bills would not make it better. It's always been a mess, it will likely be a mess forever. If you are going to make drastic changes at least make them for the better.
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If we can't do Obamacare light without the sob stories there is no way in hell we'll ever get free market competition solutions.

And I think i heard that going forward there will need to be 60 votes to repeal and replace. ....aka it's never gonna happen. We're going to ride Obamacare into the ground at which time they will pass something even worse out of desperation.

I can't fathom how anyone believes that our politicians are capable of ensuring health care for everyone. Every single thing they touch turns to shit.
 
kahiljabroni said:
If we can't do Obamacare light without the sob stories there is no way in hell we'll ever get free market competition solutions.

And I think i heard that going forward there will need to be 60 votes to repeal and replace. ....aka it's never gonna happen. We're going to ride Obamacare into the ground at which time they will pass something even worse out of desperation.

I can't fathom how anyone believes that our politicians are capable of ensuring health care for everyone. Every single thing they touch turns to shit.
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I dunno. We trust (and fund) the military. We trust socialized police departments and fire departments. We trust our kids well-being at schools. When there is political will and proper funding, socialized services seem to turn out fine.

I know there are horror stories with socialized medicine from other countries-- but most of those other countries see OUR ENTIRE HEALTHCARE MODEL as on e big horror story. Literally zero countries with socialized medicine have ever voted to do away with it and return to a situation where there is no basic healthcare guarantee. Why is that not worth considering?
 
luckyshot said:
I dunno. We trust (and fund) the military. We trust socialized police departments and fire departments. We trust our kids well-being at schools. When there is political will and proper funding, socialized services seem to turn out fine.

I know there are horror stories with socialized medicine from other countries-- but most of those other countries see OUR ENTIRE HEALTHCARE MODEL as on e big horror story. Literally zero countries with socialized medicine have ever voted to do away with it and return to a situation where there is no basic healthcare guarantee. Why is that not worth considering?
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What about the fact that our government can't even get the VA right for less than 1% of us?
 
The Higher Power said:
What about the fact that our government can't even get the VA right for less than 1% of us?
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I'd hate to sound harsh, but no matter what the plan some people are going to be unsatisfied. Both Medicaid and the VA currently get higher satisfaction marks than private insurance, though.

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https://ccf.georgetown.edu/2014/06/...-coverage-than-with-private-health-insurance/

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...icaid-recipients-like-their-coverage-and-care
 
luckyshot said:
I dunno. We trust (and fund) the military. We trust socialized police departments and fire departments. We trust our kids well-being at schools. When there is political will and proper funding, socialized services seem to turn out fine.

I know there are horror stories with socialized medicine from other countries-- but most of those other countries see OUR ENTIRE HEALTHCARE MODEL as on e big horror story. Literally zero countries with socialized medicine have ever voted to do away with it and return to a situation where there is no basic healthcare guarantee. Why is that not worth considering?
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The military is full of great men and woman but beyond that it's a total disaster. It's the military industrial complex on steroids. We spend an INSANE amount of money on weapons we don't need or use, bases around the world, we get them into quagmires and try nation building. If we never went into Iraq we could have had single payer and free education.

Social Security is nothing more than a giant Ponzi scheme. The money we put in today goes to todays seniors because the government pissed their dough away already.

As for schools we pay more per child and get terrible results. We pay out the ass for local school taxes on top of it so kids can learn to hate America.



Fire and police are mostly local and sometimes work decent although they too can never stay under budget.


We already pay too many Damn taxes between state federal and local and we still run 20 trillion in debt for Christ's sake. Now you want to another federal outlay to the tune of several trillion dollars? ?

If we had a different system then maybe.
Better leaders. .. then possibly.
If we didn't already squander our futures then probably. .. somehow we could make it work.

But we don't...so we should operate from that reality
 
luckyshot said:
I'd hate to sound harsh, but no matter what the plan some people are going to be unsatisfied. Both Medicaid and the VA currently get higher satisfaction marks than private insurance, though.

Gallup-Ins-Satisfaction.png



https://ccf.georgetown.edu/2014/06/...-coverage-than-with-private-health-insurance/

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...icaid-recipients-like-their-coverage-and-care
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Lies. Sherdog told me that the VA hospitals are basically death camps where we send vets like these guys to die.

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hillelslovak87 said:
Would you favor a single payer system that decouples insurance from employment, then?
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No. I would want to unleash the most powerful force known to bring down prices and improve quality.

It's called THE FREE MARKET!

Fucking Socialists.
 
Whippy McGee said:
No. I would want to unleash the most powerful force known to bring down prices and improve quality.

It's called THE FREE MARKET!

Fucking Socialists.
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So, stay with the Hilary Clinton hmo racket we had before Obamacare, got it.
 
hillelslovak87 said:
So, stay with the Hilary Clinton hmo racket we had before Obamacare, got it.
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Nope.

  • Allow competition across state lines
  • Empower HSA's
  • Provide for catastrophic for young healthy adults
  • Tort reform to protect doctors from lawyers

Do those four things and prices plummet and quality goes through the roof, and you can afford a subsidized pool for the poor. Everyone wins.
 
good for her, she is a real american looking out for her constituents and she isn't a trumptard coward
 
Fawlty said:
It's really unconscionable that these rapid fire attempts at sneaking through a bill are so focused on poor and old people having worse healthcare, while selling it as a "repeal for the sake of repealing" measure. This is atrocious and we're lucky, as a nation, that a few senators are willing to break the line.
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if it was my party,i'd be embarressed that the others have no soul and are fine with it
 
@*Z* nah, tax the fuckers till they feel it as much as a working man
 
Whippy McGee said:
No. I would want to unleash the most powerful force known to bring down prices and improve quality.

It's called THE FREE MARKET!

Fucking Socialists.
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The free market is perfect for many things, it utterly fails when it comes to healthcare. The rest of the world has already figured this out.
 
m52nickerson said:
The free market is perfect for many things, it utterly fails when it comes to healthcare. The rest of the world has already figured this out.
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And imo (and the opinion of many economists and healthcare experts) we can have a market based system but it has to have socialist elements if we care about getting everyone covered and making it affordable. It's an inevitable trade off because the market wants to collect cash but not pay out claims, which goes against what we want out of the system.
 
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