Scott Coker on MVP/Daley not being made; possible 2019 Welterweight Grand Prix

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- Coke says MVP vs Daley not being made was because of Daley constantly changing his mind. "You'd have to ask Paul Daley about that."
- Talks about possibly doing a WW GP next year.
- Speaks about how developing prospects takes time
- Reasons for London being chosen for the 200th Bellator event.

 
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Daley ducked MVP more than once.

Play stupid games, win a match-up with Fitch.

After he loses 30-26, he’ll have to go to ACB as record fodder for Russian wrestlers.
 
europe1 said:
ie: Erik Silva will be a greybeard before Cooker actually does something interesting with MVP.
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That makes me worried for what the future holds for McKee and Gallagher. 30-0 each before they face a stiff test?
 
Yes to a ww gp.. 16 fighters. 4 fights one week, 4 fights the next, all the winners meet in the ring at the end of the second week.. While all 16 entrants are introduced in a stage in the first week. Both shows are Sunday night shows. Both cards are headlined by a title fight at a different weight; so 5 fights on each card. 2nd round is one card 3 months down the road. Semi-finals 3 months after that. Final is 2.5 months after that.
 
Will Bellator botch a WW GP like they have the HW GP?

Can anyone honestly say the HW GP feels like something special? Its old names headlining reg cards.

WW would be the only other div they have enough real talent in to do one that has people interested.

Just dont want to see every fight happen before they even do a GP. if Rory goes on and beats Koreshkov and you've already seen Rory fight Daley, Lima and Koreshkov and Daley already fought Larkin and Lima/Koreshkov fought twice and Fitch/Daley most of the matchups we will have seen.

and you'd have to put it on a single card and really make it feel like an event and not just a reg show.
 
CC27 said:
Will Bellator botch a WW GP like they have the HW GP?

Can anyone honestly say the HW GP feels like something special? Its old names headlining reg cards.

WW would be the only other div they have enough real talent in to do one that has people interested.

Just dont want to see every fight happen before they even do a GP. if Rory goes on and beats Koreshkov and you've already seen Rory fight Daley, Lima and Koreshkov and Daley already fought Larkin and Lima/Koreshkov fought twice and Fitch/Daley most of the matchups we will have seen.

and you'd have to put it on a single card and really make it feel like an event and not just a reg show.
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Just need to keep the brackets free of rematches, though they're inevitable because of how often the top guys fight each other in Bellator. Coker loves rematches, even if they don't make sense (Pitbull/Straus 4)

One one side, you can have:
Rory vs Fitch
Ward vs Larkin

and the other:
Lima vs MVP
Koreshkov vs Daley

That was the best possible tournament bracket I could come up with avoiding rematches. Even then, some combination of Lima/Koreshkov/Rory seems very possible. You also have fighters who may not be interested in doing a tournament at all (probably MVP). But It's either this or more Rory vs Lima rematches.
 
Coker's a clown. The only prospects the guy ever developed were by accident like Rockhold and Woodley. And nobody even knew who the hell Rockhold was when he fought Jacare.
 
EndlessCritic said:
Coker's a clown. The only prospects the guy ever developed were by accident like Rockhold and Woodley. And nobody even knew who the hell Rockhold was when he fought Jacare.
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And Cormier who only got into the HW Grand Prix because Reem was pulled
 
Amerikuracana said:
Yes to a ww gp.. 16 fighters. 4 fights one week, 4 fights the next, all the winners meet in the ring at the end of the second week.. While all 16 entrants are introduced in a stage in the first week. Both shows are Sunday night shows. Both cards are headlined by a title fight at a different weight; so 5 fights on each card. 2nd round is one card 3 months down the road. Semi-finals 3 months after that. Final is 2.5 months after that.
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I don't know if they can even get 16 fighters for a tournament without resorting to using tomato cans.

There's maybe 8 or 9 fighters that you could put into those spots and have your tournament taken seriously. You could include Joey Davis, Baby Slice, and Neiman Gracie and even that might be a bit of a stretch.

Bellator would really have to scramble for new signings and perhaps put cans in the rest of the spots.

Zac Bucia vs Rudy Bears in a Bellator Grand Prix championship tournament. Jesus fuckin' Christ.
 
TheBrownRanger said:
I don't know if they can even get 16 fighters for a tournament without resorting to using tomato cans.

There's maybe 8 or 9 fighters that you could put into those spots and have your tournament taken seriously. You could include Joey Davis, Baby Slice, and Neiman Gracie and even that might be a bit of a stretch.

Bellator would really have to scramble for new signings and perhaps put cans in the rest of the spots.

Zac Bucia vs Rudy Bears in a Bellator Grand Prix championship tournament. Jesus fuckin' Christ.
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You use decent looking prospects with limited experience as first round fodder. Like 5 of them. One of them ends up being legit with a 6-0 record it wtevr, wins a couple fights, then you have a new star. Real simple formula thanks the cause of orgs today still hilariously using guys from over a decade ago because of pride nostalgia.
 
You only need like 9-10 "stars" to make a perfect 16 man tourny.
 
I don’t agree with that arbitrary amount of fights for prospects before they start getting a real push. Some fighters peak later but it helps that they’ve gone through some tests and got some push...like Woodley did. He talks like Rockhold is some Johnny come lately but his first non challengers fight was vs. Jacare for the SF title. It was his 9th fight. Coker promoted that. Some fighters are ready to take and win big fights much sooner.
 
TheBrownRanger said:
Just need to keep the brackets free of rematches, though they're inevitable because of how often the top guys fight each other in Bellator. Coker loves rematches, even if they don't make sense (Pitbull/Straus 4)

One one side, you can have:
Rory vs Fitch
Ward vs Larkin

and the other:
Lima vs MVP
Koreshkov vs Daley

That was the best possible tournament bracket I could come up with avoiding rematches. Even then, some combination of Lima/Koreshkov/Rory seems very possible. You also have fighters who may not be interested in doing a tournament at all (probably MVP). But It's either this or more Rory vs Lima rematches.
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Bendo still fights for Bellator too right? I'd favour him over more than half that list I reckon (Daley, MVP, Larkin, Fitch, Ward)
 
Piece of Sheet said:
And Cormier who only got into the HW Grand Prix because Reem was pulled
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He was an original alternate and it’s not like that was a flimsy tournament. The only guy that didn’t really belong in it was Grim..but even he had only lost to Fedor and Ubereem at the point. Cormiers best win to that point was the alternate bout he won. Coker brought up Cormier just fine, especially when you consider how poor DC looked in his Challengers debut.

EndlessCritic said:
Coker's a clown. The only prospects the guy ever developed were by accident like Rockhold and Woodley. And nobody even knew who the hell Rockhold was when he fought Jacare.
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Nonsense. How were they by accident? They had a whole sub show where guys like Woodley and Rockhold were the main features. Woodley headlined like 3 Challengers cards and had a gradual climb up the main card and competition before fighting for the title. It was textbook development. Just because you didn’t pay attention didn’t mean they hadn’t worked to promote them and that Coker didn’t know what he had lol. He gave Rockhold and Woodley title fights after all. Tim Kennedy was also part of that.

Also

Basically the entire foundation of WMMA was built by Coker for better or worse, he brought up Ronda Rousey and Miesha Tate even Amanda Nunes. UFC got to cash in however. Some may hate him for that though.

Also, DANIEL CORMIER. First pro fight to winning the greatest tournament since PRIDE.

I’d say Coker’s overall developmental work with Strikeforce was pretty good considering they only had what? 2 independent years on Showtime before UFC ruined it? they usually only had 4-5 fight cards televised so limited avenues to showcase prospects outside of challengers and a roster deep of established veteran talent.

I haven’t fully agreed with how he’s brought along some of the younger Bellator fighters but let’s not ass pull words like “accident” and revise just for the hell of it. I think the focus for Bellator right now is different fro
SF since SF had the great year where they basically built a great roster from the remnants of PRIDE, the fall of Affliction and EliteXC and the DREAM partnership. They already had big names from the past like Shamrock as well. Bellator didn’t have the same start. Coker took over a proud prospect driven league that the parent company thought needs more name recognition.so the focus is bringing in established names and building brand whereas Strikeforce kicked off their Showtime run with some names and the need for more prospects.
 
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please for the love of god go to the middle of the ocean where there are no commissions and make it a one night tournament.

One night tournaments make the world a better place.
 
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