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I'd like to keep this free of any politics or bickering.

What's the solution to mass shootings in schools and so forth?
I'm also curious what people's thoughts are concerning what the FBI should've done, given the FL shooter was on their radar. Is there an agreeable middle ground between protection and rights?

My opinion:
The Gun Free Zones have to disappear. Consider that certain places of high vulnerability like airports are Gun Free, but at least there's a checkpoint and armed security; schools don't have that.

Interested in people's thoughts on this. Thanks.
 
I'm with you, gun free zones are a mass shooters wet dream, they should've figured this out after Columbine, all these years later and history keeps repeating, what a nightmarish tragedy.

We protect politicians, celebrities, banks, etc with armed guards, but leave our schools totally vulnerable. You gotta fight fire with fire!

Or at least put a doubt in someone's mind, that someone COULD be armed in the school, instead of enforcing the (gun free) slaughterhouse that our schools currently are. I don't think gun control with prevent this. Better back ground checks MAY help, but it's no guarantee. And a gun ban is just idiotic, history shows genocide after genocide once citizens are disarmed, without our own weapons we are just subjects to the rulers.
 
As far as the FBI, imo they failed and as a result we lost precious lives. No one's perfect, but to me, they had enough to prevent this one, and failed to act appropriately.
 
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That makes two of these sorts of shootings where the Feds dropped the fucking ball
 
SROs. They need to be there, anytime school is in session and students are on campus.

They need a balance of being a resource to the school and being able to flip the switch and take on a shooter. Means they need access to plates and a rifle as well.

I'm not a fan of counting on armed teachers. I don't know a single teacher who is for arming teachers. A recent survey I saw said less than a quarter are comfortable with arming teachers.
 
My mother is a teacher down in Florida and under no circumstances is she packing anything to school other than her lunch.
 
I'm not a fan of counting on armed teachers. I don't know a single teacher who is for arming teachers. A recent survey I saw said less than a quarter are comfortable with arming teachers.
That would be a massive liability. So many ways that could turn ugly.
 
I am also against arming teachers. People that DON'T want to carry SHOULDN'T. I think Resource Officers is a good thing and is probably the best start to this conversation.

I still believe those non-LE faculty that do want to, that want to assume the responsibility and legalities, should be able to. I don't buy the argument that a well-trained, well-disciplined civilian cannot respond effectively to a threat.

I'm not worried about the broad opinions of teachers. I'm more interested in safety than feelings.
 
We also need to look at the cause. When I went to high school (in the 80s), we didn't have any security/SRO's/metal detectors/etc. on campus. Why are kids now, in the last 15 to to 20 years, shooting up schools.
 
Like TS said. Make them more like airports. Limited entry points, metal detectors, legitimate armed security (no need to force teachers to be their own security) I'm sure there are some private contractors that could do a great job. We should pay to protect what we love.
 
Here's the School Shield report
https://www.nationalschoolshield.or...-of-the-national-school-shield-task-force.pdf

Findings:
FINDINGS OF THE NATIONAL SCHOOL
SHIELD TASK FORCE
Finding No. 1: There has been insufficient attention paid to school security needs in our
nation, and the greatest security gap falls within the medium- to smaller-size schools,
which do not have the level of resources of the larger school districts.
Comment: A study of Virginia schools found that the elimination of SRO positions over a
two-year period occurred mainly in the smaller schools, and was most likely due to
reductions in federal and state grants for SRO programs. 53
In addition, another gap identified by the assessment teams sent out by the National
School Shield Task Force is that older schools, constructed more than ten years ago,
have greater security challenges than newer facilities. More recently designed schools
have more architectural attention devoted to security features in contrast to the building
design and layout of older facilities.
Prior to the Sandy Hook incident, most schools took the view that “it probably won’t
happen here.” Sandy Hook school leadership has since realized the vulnerability of an
unprotected school and the need to take action.
Finding No. 2: Many schools do not have a formal, written security plan, and even for
those that do, they are often either inadequate or not properly exercised. Schools across
the nation vary greatly based on size, geography, student composition, building design,
threats and a variety of other factors, all of which dictate the need for individualized
and tailor-made security plans adapted to the uniqueness of the particular school.

Comment: The plan should be an all-hazards approach that is uniquely designed for the
individual campus. The plan should set forth layers of security including use of
technology, perimeter security, staff training, properly conducted security drills, and
coordination with local law enforcement, fire service and emergency responders.
Finding No. 3: A properly trained armed school officer, such as a school resource
officer, has proven to be an important layer of security for prevention and response in
the case of an active threat on a school campus.
Comment: A study of SROs in Virginia found that they have become “an important
feature of local law enforcement and public schools.” 54 The success of any law-
enforcement presence and its deterrent value is always difficult to measure, but the

53 JOHN G. SCHUITEMAN, THE STATUS OF VIRGINIA SROS: 2007, at 2 (Virginia Department of Criminal Justice Services, Apr. 6, 2007).
54 Id. at 8. 12
assessments to date lead to the conclusion that a properly trained SRO is an important
part of the security efforts of any school.
Finding No. 4: Local school authorities are in the best position to make a final decision
on school safety procedures, specifically whether an armed security guard is necessary
and supported by the education and citizen community.
Finding No. 5: Many public and non-public schools are financially unable to include
armed security personnel as part of the school security plan and have resorted to school
staff carrying firearms in order to provide an additional level of protection for the
students and staff in the event of a violent incident on school property.
Comment: The school staff generally receives authorization from law enforcement as a
reserve deputy or authorized security officer, even though the training required is
inconsistent and often inadequate. Currently, there is no nationally recognized training
program for the safe and effective carry, storage, maintenance and administration of
firearms by school employees.
For example, in February, after the Sandy Hook tragedy, the Van, TX, school board,
which serves more than 2,000 students, voted to allow guns on campus. This action
authorized certain school employees to carry firearms on school property, at school
events and at board meetings. 55
Finding No. 6: While the local school leadership should make all final decisions
regarding the elements of the school security plan, the individual states, with few
exceptions, have not made school security an element of adequacy in school standards.
Comment: Every school is unique, and there is not a single security plan that covers all
schools. A school security plan must be locally tailored to be effective, reliable and safe.
What is essential is that every school conducts its own security assessment and
develops a plan that covers the vulnerabilities determined in the assessment. States
should set the requirements for security and risk assessment and the development of an
adequate all-hazards security plan for the school.
Finding No. 7: School officials are not generally trained in security assessments or the
development of comprehensive safety and security plans. Ideally, a school retains
professional assistance in developing their school security plans; however, there is a
compelling need for professional-quality online self-assessment tools. This need was
emphasized in a recent statement before the House Committee on Education and the
Workforce: “While there is certainly some information on websites and in other
literature, and products do exist and are on the market to secure our nation’s schools,

55 Molly Hennessy-Fiske, Texas school staffer shot during gun class, LA Times (Feb. 28, 2013),
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/28/nation/la-na-nn-texas-school-worker-shot-20130228. we have not been able to find in our research a website or other single source of
information that comprehensively integrates all of the security needs together.” 56
Comment: A professional security consultant generally costs $10,000 per school campus.
An online self-assessment tool will make the work of the security consultant more cost
effective, and it will assist the school officials in knowing what security enhancements
are needed.
Finding No. 8: Federal funding for the personnel costs of SROs has served as a pathway
for increased security in our schools, but federal funding has proved unreliable as a
long-term solution to the school safety and security needs of our nation.
Comment: Many states, including Connecticut 57 and Wyoming 58 , have been forced to
shut down or reduce their SRO programs after federal budget cuts, yet remain actively
searching for alternative funding options so they can bring SROs back to schools.
Finding No. 9: There are numerous federal agencies and programs that provide
valuable school safety resources; however, there is a lack of coordination between the
federal agencies resulting in gaps, duplication and inefficiencies.
Comment: There are at least three different Cabinet-level departments that have some
involvement in school safety policy, funding or initiatives. The Department of Justice,
the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Education all have
programs focusing on school safety. Within each department there are multiple sub-
agencies that are working (sometimes independently of each other) on school safety
programs.
Finding No. 10: History teaches us that in most violent attacks at a school, there are
multiple early warning signs, called pre-incident indicators, of a student or outside
person who exhibits threatening behavior and poses a risk to the school. 59 In order to
properly use these indicators to minimize the risk of violence, schools must develop a
culture of awareness and willingness to share this information with the proper
individuals. A positive school culture has also been linked to reducing incidences of
bullying, which is frequently associated with an attackers’ decision to engage in a
violent act. The Best Practices Guidelines, in Appendix A (pp. 9-22), contains additional
information on school climate and the relationship to school violence.
The most widespread and effective tool that has been used to identify pre-incident
indicators and other indicators of school dynamics is the use of Threat Assessment
Groups or Behavioral Intervention Teams (BIT). These teams are trained to identify
individuals who may pose a risk to society, and assist in the development of an
individualized plan of mental health and educational services. The Best Practices
Guidelines, in Appendix A (pp. 16-20), has more information on pre-incident indicators
for adults and students.
Comment: The impact of threat assessment teams is demonstrated in a 2011 survey of
Virginia school safety. The schools that used the threat assessment guidelines
developed by the University of Virginia reported lower rates of weapons-related
disciplinary infractions and lower rates of school suspensions. 60 The students in these
schools experienced less bullying, were more likely to seek help for bullying and threats
of violence, and had more positive perceptions of school climate.


Recommendations:

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RECOMMENDATIONS
The following recommendations have been provided to the NRA as it considers its
future commitment to the mission of school security and safety. Some of the
recommendations also apply to federal and state policy makers, and it is our intent that
the recommendations will add to the national discussion and be part of the solutions to
the common goal of protecting our children.
No. 1: Training A model-training program has been developed by the NSS Task Force
for the professional training of armed personnel in the school environment. Appendix
D is the public version of the training outline for law-enforcement school resource
officers, and Appendix E is the public version of the training outline for armed school
personnel. This training will only be open to those who are designated by school
officials and qualified by appropriate background investigation, testing and relevant
experience.
The National School Shield initiative should adopt this model-training program for
armed officers or personnel in the schools as a best practice. The NRA has the nationally
recognized expertise to develop and implement the stringent training courses required
by this model program. It is recommended that the professional training programs that
are approved by the states for armed school personnel use private sector approved and
certified trainers as well as traditional state law enforcement trainers. Appendix C is the
public version of the Train the Trainer Program.
No. 2: Adoption of Model Law for Armed School Personnel Many states prohibit
anyone other than a sworn law-enforcement officer or licensed security guard to carry a
firearm in a public or non-public school. In order for a selected school staff member to
be designated, trained and armed on school property, the states will have to change
current legal restrictions.
Attached, as Appendix H, is a model state law that is presented for that purpose.
No. 3: School Resource Officer Each school that employs an SRO should have a
Memorandum of Understanding (MOU), or an “interagency agreement,” between the
appropriate law-enforcement agency and the school district. This contract should define
the duties and responsibilities of the SRO, as well as the applicable laws, rules and
regulations.
The objective of the SRO is not to increase juvenile arrests within a school, but to
provide security and to support the normal disciplinary policies of a school consistent
with the MOU.
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No. 4: Online Self-Assessment Tool An internet-based self-assessment tool has been
created to allow any school (whether public, private or parochial) to have secure access
to comprehensively evaluate and assess the security gaps and vulnerabilities of each
school.
Appendix G is the general description of this online self-assessment security tool.
The National School Shield initiative should pilot this self-assessment tool in three
school districts of different sizes in order to perfect the questions and scoring. After the
pilot projects are completed, this assessment tool should be deployed in a secure
fashion on the NSS website for free access by all schools who obtain authorization
codes.
This self-assessment tool is based on research-backed concepts and is guided by the
unique characteristics of the individual school. The scenario-based questions prompt
schools to identify the operational and functional weaknesses in their security and assist
them in finding solutions to fill the gaps. The outcome-based performance standards
ensure that the assessment is applicable to the unique characteristics of any given
school.
No. 5: State Education Adequacy Requirement State standards related to school
security vary from non-existent to stringent. Although state responses to school security
will naturally vary, there should be a common element that requires all public schools
to participate in an assessment and develop a security plan based on the unique
requirements of that particular institution.
No. 6: Federal Coordination and Funding Either through legislation or executive
action, a lead agency should be designated to coordinate the federal programs and
funding of local school safety efforts. The Department of Homeland Security should be
designated as the lead, supported by the Department of Education and Department of
Justice.
In terms of funding, the historic model of COPS program grants and modest grants
through other programs is neither consistent nor adequate to provide armed officers in
our nation’s schools and to fund other security-related improvements desperately
needed in our schools. While the focus of this report is to create a means of private-
sector support for school safety, we note that there are numerous grant programs that
are not available to schools.
It is recommended that the Department of Homeland Security grants should be open
for school security programs such as training, risk assessment and security response
planning. This would not involve any additional federal funds, but would open up
schools as a potential recipient of the Homeland Security grants.
No. 7: Umbrella National Organization to Advocate and Support School Safety
Because of the limitations of federal, state and local funding for school safety, there is an 17
important role that can be filled by a private non-profit advocacy and education
organization. The National School Shield is in a position with adequate funding and
support from the NRA to fulfill this important national mission.
The NSS mission would: (a) provide national advocacy for school safety; (b) supply
ongoing online self-assessment and other tools for public, private and parochial schools;
(c) make available best practices in school safety to help guide schools in the
development of school safety and security policies; (d) fund innovative pilot projects
and training costs for armed school personnel; and (e) provide state-of-the-art training
programs in the area of school safety and security.
It is recommended that an advisory board be created to provide counsel on the
development of the NSS initiative and to assist in the securing of adequate funding for
the programs.
While every school should have free access to the online resources of the NSS, it is
recommended that before a school can be certified as a member of NSS, it must meet a
set of strict criteria. Membership requirements would include:
(a) Completion of online security assessment of school, supplemented as needed
by on-site technical assistance
(b) Development of comprehensive all-hazards school security plan based upon
the assessment
(c) Coordination and training with local law enforcement and first responders
(d) Presence in the school of a trained armed law-enforcement officer, security
officer or trained armed school staff
(e) Periodic reviews of school security program utilizing available technical
assistance to ensure consistency with best practices
We further recommend that NSS fund and assign technical consultations for member
schools. This could be in the form of a help desk or on-site visits.
Finally, we recommend that the NSS explore insurance coverage for member schools as
a potential program benefit.

No. 8: Specific Pilot Program on Threat Assessments and Mental Health.
As part of its comprehensive security plan, each school should develop a threat
assessment team, which will work in coordination with mental health professionals.
The purpose is to create a positive school environment that encourages sharing
information on early warning signs and reducing incidences of bullying or other anti-
social behavior. The team should coordinate with any current crisis response protocols,
and should be responsible for assessing the emotional climate of the school by
reviewing all relevant policies, rules and regulations that affect the educational
environment. The Best Practices Guidelines, Appendix A (pp. 15-22), contains additional
information on the duties of the threat assessment team.
The team will be responsible for evaluating all threats, including the surrounding
circumstances, and conducting an investigation to determine whether the threat is
serious. After all appropriate assessments have been made, the team should create a
written safety plan by integrating all relevant findings, and should determine whether
to refer the student to a school psychologist for a mental health assessment and, if
necessary, to the school resource officer for a law-enforcement investigation.
Appendix A details how the teams should conduct their assessments, which individuals
should be included on the team and other relevant information.
Accordingly, it is recommended that the NSS initiate a partnership with other interested
national partners to develop and fund three pilot projects in order to establish best
practices and a model for school threat assessment, prevention and mental health
support.
In developing these pilot projects, reference should be made to the College and
University Behavioral Intervention Team (CUBIT), 62 which is a model developed by the
National Center for Higher Education Risk Management in response to the surge of
school violence and shootings in 2007, and to the National Behavioral Intervention
Team Association (NaBITA). The NRA should also look at the Virginia Model for Student
Threat Assessment, which was drafted based on the findings of a series of field tests on
threat assessment guidelines. An active program that should be considered is the Safe
and Respectful School Program of the Threat Assessment Group (TAG), which has been
available as a resource since 2011 in the state of Tennessee.
 
We also need to look at the cause. When I went to high school (in the 80s), we didn't have any security/SRO's/metal detectors/etc. on campus. Why are kids now, in the last 15 to to 20 years, shooting up schools.

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Because you know....blaming the decay of societal values might hurt someone’s feelings.
 
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