Rizin's Mayweather Gambit May be a Bad Sign

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  1. juanM3

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    Cool Rizin
     
  2. Bobby Boulders

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    Mayweather getting a stake in RIZIN seems logical. I like the rumor. It makes a ton of sense. Everything the man touches turns into gold. If he is part owner, RIZIN will turn into gold too. And he doesn't have to keep fighting. He uses him name to continue garnering interest in RIZIN, and just collects money while he's retired from competing. He wants to get into the Asian market, and Japan specifically. Owning a stake in RIZIN keeps him making money there. It's brilliant. I hope it ends up being true.
     
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    This. I really wish Floyd is invested in the promotion. He has some of the tools to help Rizin become number 1 in the ever growing asia market
     
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  4. Bobby Boulders

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    Could you imagine how different the MMA landscape would be if this ends up being true? It would be a new day for MMA. Top fighters would be going to Japan again. It would be crazy for me, bc I've hated Floyd for years. If he saves RIZIN, he's ok in my book. Everything he touches blossoms, even if he doesn't have a stake in RIZIN hopefully RIZIN still prospers.
     
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    AimedWithV Wound in the Force

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    It doesn't make sense, logically, for Rizin to use Floyd just to go out with a bang.
    It's too much of a bang.

    Obviously they get now a lot of money from sponsors, a lot of fighters are going to want to participate in this card.
    I'm sure Sak's office gets a lot of calls from MMA fighters' managers as we speak.
    Media will expose them hugely - Pride never got a media exposure that Rizin will get.

    And all this - just to fold after the event? When all eyes are on them? Every financial move of Rizin is going to be observed by boxing, MMA, kickboxing media. Tenshin's career will be watched.

    I think it's actually their sign of breaking through. Big time.
     
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  6. MilesAbove

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    Perhaps I didn't make the "go out with a bang" portion well enough. My point was that they might think "If we're dying a slow death we might as well take a big chance that MIGHT actually pay off. And if it ruins us because something goes wrong or it doesn't work out right, no big deal because we were circling the drain anyway."

    I wasn't trying to say "they are damned either way and they chose this way." More like they can win with a hailmary... but it's a 80yrd hail mary and they just gotta hope it lands right.
     
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    wait, IS or ISN'T? because your entire post hinges on whether you have or have not heard this to be the case
     
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    also if it is true, then I'm surprised fighters havent come out and said it, as they often do, to leverage public pressure, like some did during the collapse of Metamoris and K-1
     
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    If this is the case, fighters will be coming out right away after hearing about Floyd's 100 million purse. The same posters have been saying this since NYE 2016.

    The new Japanese casinos will need combat sports content.
     
  10. MilesAbove

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    I'm not in the know about the totality of the money owed. Yes, they owe fighters money.
     
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    With the Mayweather money, tv deals, sponsorships and top talents will come to Rizin.

    Anything Mayweather touch, turns to cash.
     
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    it is baffling

    i just can't see Rizin getting value out of the deal
     
  13. Saku'sEar

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    Anything that leads to less UFC is good in my book really.
    Let's hope they can bring back the best fighters & talents to Japan, like it once was.
     
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    I can imagine that his name being attached to the production would make it easier to get western sponsorships and TV deals but I don't really know how his involvement will really turn the product into gold. People tune in either to see his technical prowess or in the hope that he's going to get smashed, is anyone actually any more likely to tune in, to discuss or want to pay to see someone like Shintaro Ishiwatari fight just because Floyd Mayweather holds shares in the company? I can't imagine so.

    I know Floyd is a different proposition to Amir Khan or David Haye, but I can't see that Khan's partial ownership of Super Fight League has made anyone on earth want to pay to see Abhishek Rana? Or does anyone tune in to see Ion Pascu because David Haye is at the mic?

    Unless he's regularly fighting in squash matches to generate a bit of interest over there I'm not sure what he is even really bringing to the table other than a bit of western advertising potential. People that care enough to tune in to obscure Japanese MMA orgs in the first place are almost certainly not going to be influenced by someone like Floyd Mayweather
     
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    What Mayweather money? They are giving him a reported $88m for this fight when they put on 4-5 events a year in half-to 3/4s full arenas. They'll be lucky to break even on that deal in the next couple of years. The fight is not even on PPV
     
  16. Bobby Boulders

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    It will be Tenshin that people tune in to see. RIZIN already has the star to carry it. Loads of people who never knew who he was are already talking about him and the fight hasn't even happened yet.

    Khan and Haye aren't anywhere close to as big as Floyd. It isn't even debatable. Basically everything with Mayweather's name attached makes a return. Some more than others, but a return, nonetheless.
     
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    Nobody is reaaally talking about Tenshin though are they, they're talking about Mayweather vs. him. If he was the star and attraction they wouldn't be paying Mayweather $88m!

    They're not in the same league as promoters and 'trend setters' I guess but the point that people don't necessarily get drawn to a product just because someone they've heard of is part of it still stands. I mean what is the overlap in the sphere Mayweather is able to influence and the market that a Japanese MMA organisation are going for really?

    There doesn't really seem to be a huge potential for overlap in bringing young American black guys who love boxing on-board with Japanese MMA.

    Sounds like he just wants some easy money (recent reports indicate substantial gambling losses?) and the ability to claim that he was offered shares in an MMA organisation to fight, which is something McGregor was very vocal about wanting. Feels like he's doing it as a power-play "F-U" to McGregor and the UFC.

    Mayweather won't be wanting for money or sleep if Rizin goes bust at the end of this deal, as long as he gets his PR and money
     
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    lolz @ 'everything he touches turns to gold' when he boxed conor because he owed the IRS
     
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    If Rizin truly already has the star to carry it, they’d be doing better ratings than they have been.
     
  20. Bobby Boulders

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    You misunderstood the context. They have the star, now. The Floyd thing has brought alien eyes and heaps of praise to Tenshin, and if you need proof of this, bc you seem to feel the need to disprove everything, go to YouTube and browse the videos of boxing/Floyd fans coverage of the news from last weekend. There are thousands, possibly millions, of videos going around as we speak about the news, and these vids by people unfamiliar with Tenshin are showing his highlights, and are letting people know that Tenshin is a monster fighter. This news was also covered by literally every news media source in the world. Conor, with his large group of followers, also tried to make Tenshin look silly, and Tenshin ended up doing it to Conor, but the important detail is that Conor was talking about him, and now more people know who is Tenshin. If you don't think he is now an international star, it's kinda delusional, bud.
     

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