Ring updates its P4P: Rigo, Canelo out, Usyk, Nietes in

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  1. Seano

    Seano Hands of bone

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    No, I mean the list overall. Frankly, his 3 wins are the best of anything on the P4P list.
     
  2. Seano

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    Meh, Kell Brook is the most overrated fighter of the past 10 years.
     
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  3. ironfist05

    ironfist05 Silver Belt

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    that is a significant exaggeration
     
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  4. ironfist05

    ironfist05 Silver Belt

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    I think there are a couple. Loma's win over Linares is pretty significant. Usyk's win over Briedis skirts the line between significant and just very good. Thurman over Garcia is significant. Crawford has some good wins, you might be able to argue the win over Postol is significant enough to be a "signature win," though I will admit his opponents look worse and worse as time goes on with very little exception.

    I agree it's weaker than the Pac/Mayweather era, but it's hard to compare to those guys, who were beating at least titlist quality guys every time out.
     
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    No love for Thurman? Beating Garcia and Porter? Boxrec has Garcia over Thurman? Lol. Flawed system, obviously.

    The Ring has Kov on their list but not Thurman.
     
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  6. ironfist05

    ironfist05 Silver Belt

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    I think boxrec dropped thurman due to inactivity (pretty strict one year rule from what I remember). That'd be pretty absurd otherwise.

    I do think Thurman's getting slept on and he's beaten an underrated list of WWs, but it's been over a year since he last fought and with his constant injuries, it feels like he's just about to fall apart :(
     
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  7. Kovalev's "Man Bag"

    Kovalev's "Man Bag" I don't do titles

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    The TBRB just updated their lists again minutes ago. With them it's every Tuesday.
    http://www.tbrb.org
     
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  8. ironfist05

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    thanks, edited
     
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    LogicalInsanity Gold Belt

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    Personally, I would have Sor rungisval or Crawford has number 1.

    Both have the most prominent victories on the list
     
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  11. wilddeuces

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    The closer you get to considering the #1 spot, the more one's subjectivity emerges. Anyone in the top 3 or so have a fair claim, amd the only thing that separates one over another is personal preference for criteria.
     
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    SSR only fight fit for #1. Roman and JFE were the cream of the crop and he is 3-0 vs the 2 of them in his last 3 fights. Incredible run. Makes TC and Loma look like scrubs "resume wise" by comparison. Those were two very established names he took on and snagged W's off. Jeff Horn? Who we never heard of before Pac? Flash in the pan Indongo who got steamrolled by unproven Prograis? Linares, Anthony DeMarco's signature win? Gonzalez took the P4P #1 spot rightfully when Mayweather retired, and got roughed up 2x's by SSR and JFE is only man to treat Gonzalez like an equal before that. THOSE are sig wins.
     
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    XThe GreatestX Black Belt

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    Sorry. But how is SRR/Canelo not 1 and 2 respectively if we are doing this by resume?
     
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    ring mag is the best list, fair, recognized worldwide

    espn is inconsistently scattered with good judges and some very pro american bias judges..
    & since there's no absolute criteria for PFP
    looking at these lists, i'm quite sure the judging also factors in fighter's overall careers, not just their recent performances
    that's why GGG is at the top, & kovalev is still on the list

    right now, 3-4 guys can be considered #1

    so the potential PFP king will
    either be lomachenko or garcia if they fight
    crawford vs spence
    or GGG if he decisively beats canelo
    or inoue if he wins the WBSS
    don't see sor rungvisai .. him beating gonzales like that is impressive, but he also lost to cuadras a few yrs back
    honestly, he doesn't have anywhere to go up from his position.. unless he moves up in wgt class
     
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  15. ironfist05

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    I'm not sure I agree on SSR. It's true he lost to Cuadras a while back, but that was 4 years ago, about the same time as Loma lost to Salido. The fact of the matter is that SSR has the best recent run without question (and he also beat Sato a while back, who isn't elite, but does show that he was of a certain quality for a while). If SSR gets one more quality win (a JFE rematch or even just a unification with Anjacas, Yafai or the Nietes/Palicte winner) then I think he'll be set as #1.

    That'll be better than anybody else's body of work for the forseeable future (unless TC unifies at WW, Loma/Mikey happens, or Inoue clears out the WBSS BW tournament easy), all of which will take mroe time.

    I'm not sure I agree that Ring's list is best either. I'd say TBRB's is better TBH, though I do think Inoue is too high and I don't have a spot for AJ yet. Spence is a respectable option but I think it's a bit early for him too, other than Brook, he doesn't really have anybody a-level (Peterson is good, but not the kind of guy I would write home about).
     
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    Canelo is #1, Crawford should be #2, then SSR.
    U got to ask @ironfist05 about the little guys tho. I generally don't pay too much attention to people I can step on.
     
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    Honestly, I don't see it too far off, though I have Canelo lower.

    My top 5 is something along these lines:
    1. TC
    2. Loma
    3. SSR
    4. GGG
    5. Canelo
    but I have the top 3 largely interchangeable.

    If you want little guys worth the ranking (I'll define as sub 126ers), then you have JFE, SSR, Inoue, and Nietes that are viable candidates for a top ten list. After that, you have a couple guys I'd point to if they produce one more big win in their divisions: Rigo, Burnett, Ken Shiro, Menayothin. I'd say Budler, but I didn't think he should have gotten the win over Taguchi and I don't see much in the way for him in that division from here on out, we'll see with him.

    then some guys who are gonna need some time but could end up on a list in the future: Ancajas, Dogboe, Tete, Manny Rodriguez and maybe Dalakian and Oubaali all look like promising guys, but need some big wins before they're ready to be rubbing shoulders with the big boys.
     
  18. JayE

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    What? Why do you think that?
     
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    because AB was about billions, and totally deserved that #5 P4P spot after dominating Paulie for the WBA regular title

    correction: IS about billions
     
  20. ironfist05

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    ESPN releases new P4P list:

    1. Loma
    2. TC
    3. GGG
    4. Spence
    5. Mikey
    6. Inoue
    7. SSR
    8. Kov
    9. Wilder
    10. AJ
    11. Valdez
    12. Usyk
    13. Jermell
    14. Jermall
    15. LSC/Nietes
    17. JFE
    18. Pacman/Dogboe/BJS
     

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