Rickson vs Sakuraba

[yeguiza]

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[20falarVerdades]

401-0

 

[strongstylekarate]

Rickson is afraid of Sakuraba

 

[chiefwiggum]

Say what you want about Yuki Nakai , the man was as extraordinary tough.

Nakai was an animal and as tough as they come. He was a very small man with skill but I wouldn’t say he was a top fighter.

Rickson is undeniably great at jiu jitsu.

Ryan. Renzo. Royler. Royce. I’m missing some.
These guys were fighting the best on the biggest stage.
Much respect to them win or loss.

Rickson didn’t do that. He just talked. Just like how he would beat fedor. And bas. And wanderlei. And then it was lesnar.

“I’m 500 and 0 against the greatest fighters in the world. “

 

[TheShockmaster]

Rickson by armbar, obviously.

Surprised this took so many replies to get to this.

 

[MMAfanJabroniJew]

Nakai was an animal and as tough as they come. He was a very small man with skill but I wouldn’t say he was a top fighter.

Rickson is undeniably great at jiu jitsu.

Ryan. Renzo. Royler. Royce. I’m missing some.
These guys were fighting the best on the biggest stage.
Much respect to them win or loss.

Rickson didn’t do that. He just talked. Just like how he would beat fedor. And bas. And wanderlei. And then it was lesnar.

“I’m 500 and 0 against the greatest fighters in the world. “

I get what you're saying , even his own father the late great Helio Gracie would mock that 500 - 0 record by saying He ( Rickson ) includes practices and amateur bouts to obtain 500 , and that if he ( Helio ) would count his fights like Rickson does he would have an excess of 1 million.

 

[Local Plata]

Surprised this took so many replies to get to this.

Seriously, I opened the thread and was like wtf ... am I really going to be the first one to state the obvious? This shit should have been 20 pages of nothing but 'Rickson by Armbar'

 

[mkt]

Rickson by death.

Royce was a white belt compared to Rickson.

He was also much much stronger than Royce and physically gifted.

At least that was the propaganda the Gracies sold. Rickson's best opponent was a completely broken-down Funaki who blew out his knee early in the fight. We never really saw him tested. Royce had at least faced good early NHB competition (Ken Shamrock, Severn, Kimo, etc.) so he may have been better prepared for Sak.

 

[mkt]

401-0

Nope, 400-2. One sambo loss and an NHB loss if he'd fought Sak. Still, he beat 400 guys (which may have been rounded up from like 28 or something) in Gracie Challenge matches against karate guys, street fighters, etc. with no ground games or cross-training.

 

[mkt]

Say what you want about Yuki Nakai , the man was as extraordinary tough.

Tough and literally blinded from his previous fight vs. Gordeau. That might have been a good fight if poor Yuki didn't get his eyes raked and vision ruined earlier in the evening.

 

[mkt]

Rickson is such a mythical character, because we simply didn’t get to witness most of if exploits. However, there are plenty of people from outside the family who can attest to his prowess as a fighter, specially on the ground. The way he embarrassed Funaki at 41 years old was nothing short of remarkable. Funaki, a submission specialist in Japan, looked like a white belt with no answers on the ground. I think Saku puts up a valient warrior effort, but eventually succumbs to superior technique.

A blown knee will impact your performance. And Funaki was really beaten down and injured by that point, aside from the knee.

 

[Readybodisready]

Nobody is getting submitted in this fight.

Kimo did it coz he was 280.

Not even just Kimo, old past prime Royce managed to beat Sakuraba in the rematch. The Yakuza golden boy didn't look so amazing when he couldn't pull Royce's GI around. And Rickson was quite used to no-GI in MMA. Saku has no chance in the grappling department.

Also if we're gonna keep using the Royce fights then it's fair game to use Saku's loss against Ralek Gracie where he nearly had his arm snapped.

 

[IPV7]

At least that was the propaganda the Gracies sold. Rickson's best opponent was a completely broken-down Funaki who blew out his knee early in the fight. We never really saw him tested. Royce had at least faced good early NHB competition (Ken Shamrock, Severn, Kimo, etc.) so he may have been better prepared for Sak.

How was that propaganda??

It was admitted by all gracies and even modern fighters that rolled with him.

Royce was a piker next to him. They literally threw out the weakest gracie.

You sir are not short on hate or just don't know the history.

 

[Area809]

A blown knee will impact your performance. And Funaki was really beaten down and injured by that point, aside from the knee.

Rickson was 41, not a spring chicken.

 

[gono btw]

Not even just Kimo, old past prime Royce managed to beat Sakuraba in the rematch. The Yakuza golden boy didn't look so amazing when he couldn't pull Royce's GI around. And Rickson was quite used to no-GI in MMA. Saku has no chance in the grappling department.

Also if we're gonna keep using the Royce fights then it's fair game to use Saku's loss against Ralek Gracie where he nearly had his arm snapped.

 

[gono btw]

Nope, 400-2. One sambo loss and an NHB loss if he'd fought Sak. Still, he beat 400 guys (which may have been rounded up from like 28 or something) in Gracie Challenge matches against karate guys, street fighters, etc. with no ground games or cross-training.

Itz actually 484-1

 

[IPV7]

Tough and literally blinded from his previous fight vs. Gordeau. That might have been a good fight if poor Yuki didn't get his eyes raked and vision ruined earlier in the evening.

I agree with this , that would of been very interesting but think ultimately it would of ended the same if they were going to be contesting the fight on the ground most of the match.

You have to understand , as good as Yuki was at the time he was not able to roll with top bjj players at that juncture in free style fighting. So he was willfully outgunned no matter how crafty he was.

 

[JohnMandick]

Sakuraba all day, unless Rickson got his back. So it would depend on game plan and a bit of luck.

 

[illclint]

Did Rickson fight after his family loss?

 

[mkt]

I agree with this , that would of been very interesting but think ultimately it would of ended the same if they were going to be contesting the fight on the ground most of the match.

You have to understand , as good as Yuki was at the time he was not able to roll with top bjj players at that juncture in free style fighting. So he was willfully outgunned no matter how crafty he was.

You're probably right. I don't know much about Yuki, but the Gracies had been perfecting their art for over 70 years. Royce, Rickson, etc. had studied it since they were toddlers. It took most fighters a while to catch up. Sakuraba was an anomaly. A few others (like Frank Shamrock) also developed very good submission games without formally studying BJJ.