Law RFK wins milestone lawsuit - HHS violating it’s duty to study and safeguard #vaccine safety

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I hope the true believers understand the implications here.

CLIFFS: HHS has not been protecting us and vaccines being safe and effective is not settled science.

 
i dont even believe in vaccines. never got one and ive never gotten anything. why put a bunch of junk inside ur body you dont even know what it is
 
So, if they can prove that the lack of indepth study of vaccine safety has directly led to issues resulting in an increase in autism in children does that mean the US government is fucked and libel for damages?
 
Teppodama said:
So, if they can prove that the lack of indepth study of vaccine safety has directly led to issues resulting in an increase in autism in children does that mean the US government is fucked and libel for damages?
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Hard to imagine that happening.
 
Cubo de Sangre said:
Hard to imagine that happening.
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True, but think of the shit storm. Here we have the government leading a push to basically force parents to innoculate their children with vaccines they never did due diligence on and as a result generations of children were potentially negatively effected.
 
Teppodama said:
True, but think of the shit storm. Here we have the government leading a push to basically force parents to innoculate their children with vaccines they never did due diligence on and as a result generations of children were potentially negatively effected.
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Shitstorm indeed. Lots of pissed off victims and parents refusing vaccinations for their children.
 
Cubo de Sangre said:
Shitstorm indeed. Lots of pissed off victims and parents refusing vaccinations for their children.
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Given the influx of pre-American's looking for some of that sweet sweet economic prosperity from nations not exactly known for their records against disease, then about how that will play down if more and more parents buy into simply opting out of the vaccination game...We're already seeing a a resurgence of shit we'd mostly whipped.
 
“Wins milestone lawsuit” is so fucking disingenuous, but what else to expect from anti-vaxxers?

On August 25, 2017, the stipulation tells us that the anti-vaccine ICAN submitted an FOIA request for any reports submitted. After not getting a quick enough answer, they filed a complaint with a federal district court under the Freedom of Information Act provisions (on April 12, 2018). On June 27, 2018, the HHS sent them a message saying that “the [Department]’s searches for records did not locate any records responsive to your request,” and detailing how they searched. The parties filed the stipulation attached, which acknowledges that the response fills the FOIA request.

What it likely means is that HHS did not file the reports it was supposed to file with Congress. If the anti-vaccine ICAN wants to lobby for filing such reports, more power to them. These reports should be filed.

What this does not mean
The stipulation does not mean that HHS did not work on vaccines safety, or that there is not abundant research on the topic.


Multiple Institute of Medicine reports – now the National Academy of Science – looked at vaccines. These detailed reports summarize a large body of studies and draw conclusions based on this ongoing data. HHS commissions these reports. In July 2014, a large report on vaccine safety commissioned by HHS was also completed.

Four different federal committees within HHS look at vaccine safety from different directions.

All of these committees have independent experts and slots for consumer representatives among their members. To give one example of their work, the NVAC creates standards for best practices related to vaccines. These include a requirement to check indications and report adverse events. The American Academy of Pediatrics endorses these standards, shares them, and offers guidance on implementation.

Four monitoring system – one passive, three active, oversee vaccine safety:

  • VAERS – the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System – is a passive reporting system designed to catch safety signals, where anyone can submit a report with no verification needed.
  • The Vaccine Safety Datalink, a collaboration of the CDC and large healthcare organizations, allows for active monitoring and studies of over 9 million people.
  • PRISM, a collaboration between FDA and provider organizations, also allows for active monitoring and studies.
  • The CDC’s Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) project allows for studies of especially vulnerable populations, and for consultation with individual providers facing adverse events or potentially at-risk patients.

All these HHS units are actively engaged in working on vaccines safety.

In a letter responding to a previous set of claims from the anti-vaccine ICAN, Dr. Melinda Wharton from HHS corrected many of the organization’s misunderstandings on vaccines safety studies.

In short, while the HHS should have submitted the required reports, it has done and continued to do abundant work related to vaccines safety. Anyone claiming based on the stipulation that HHS is not working to assure and improve vaccines safety or that there are no studies either misunderstands or lacks knowledge about what HHS is doing, or is being dishonest.
 
I was going to add more but @Its5025 has done a far more thorough job.
 
lts5025 said:
“Wins milestone lawsuit” is so fucking disingenuous, but what else to expect from anti-vaxxers?

On August 25, 2017, the stipulation tells us that the anti-vaccine ICAN submitted an FOIA request for any reports submitted. After not getting a quick enough answer, they filed a complaint with a federal district court under the Freedom of Information Act provisions (on April 12, 2018). On June 27, 2018, the HHS sent them a message saying that “the [Department]’s searches for records did not locate any records responsive to your request,” and detailing how they searched. The parties filed the stipulation attached, which acknowledges that the response fills the FOIA request.

What it likely means is that HHS did not file the reports it was supposed to file with Congress. If the anti-vaccine ICAN wants to lobby for filing such reports, more power to them. These reports should be filed.

What this does not mean
The stipulation does not mean that HHS did not work on vaccines safety, or that there is not abundant research on the topic.


Multiple Institute of Medicine reports – now the National Academy of Science – looked at vaccines. These detailed reports summarize a large body of studies and draw conclusions based on this ongoing data. HHS commissions these reports. In July 2014, a large report on vaccine safety commissioned by HHS was also completed.

Four different federal committees within HHS look at vaccine safety from different directions.

All of these committees have independent experts and slots for consumer representatives among their members. To give one example of their work, the NVAC creates standards for best practices related to vaccines. These include a requirement to check indications and report adverse events. The American Academy of Pediatrics endorses these standards, shares them, and offers guidance on implementation.

Four monitoring system – one passive, three active, oversee vaccine safety:

  • VAERS – the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System – is a passive reporting system designed to catch safety signals, where anyone can submit a report with no verification needed.
  • The Vaccine Safety Datalink, a collaboration of the CDC and large healthcare organizations, allows for active monitoring and studies of over 9 million people.
  • PRISM, a collaboration between FDA and provider organizations, also allows for active monitoring and studies.
  • The CDC’s Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) project allows for studies of especially vulnerable populations, and for consultation with individual providers facing adverse events or potentially at-risk patients.

All these HHS units are actively engaged in working on vaccines safety.

In a letter responding to a previous set of claims from the anti-vaccine ICAN, Dr. Melinda Wharton from HHS corrected many of the organization’s misunderstandings on vaccines safety studies.

In short, while the HHS should have submitted the required reports, it has done and continued to do abundant work related to vaccines safety. Anyone claiming based on the stipulation that HHS is not working to assure and improve vaccines safety or that there are no studies either misunderstands or lacks knowledge about what HHS is doing, or is being dishonest.
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That pretty much does it here.
End thread.
 
panamaican said:
I was going to add more but @Its5025 has done a far more thorough job.
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MMAViewer said:
That pretty much does it here.
End thread.
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Bullshit, they had plenty of time to produce even one report and could not produce even one for the last 32 years.

How much time do you suggest we give them?

We should all be able to unite on this and demand this information be produced. You people are clueless... sorry, but you are.
 
abiG said:
Bullshit, they had plenty of time to produce even one report and could not produce even one for the last 32 years.

How much time do you suggest we give them?

We should all be able to unite on this and demand this information be produced. You people are clueless... sorry, but you are.
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Did you read @its5025's post?

Why bother responding to me or @MMAViewer when we're just referencing the far more thorough explanation he provided?
 
abiG said:
Bullshit, they had plenty of time to produce even one report and could not produce even one for the last 32 years.

How much time do you suggest we give them?

We should all be able to unite on this and demand this information be produced. You people are clueless... sorry, but you are.
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You saying we should unit..... following it with shit about clueless.
Where should we start the compromise and conversation hmmm?
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According to Bill Maher, germs don't even exist.

 
This is from August and the comments do a good job of laying out the click bait. Good effort @abiG lol
 
JonesBones said:
anti science liberals at it again
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Remember when the liberals in the church imprisoned Galileo?
Remember when the liberal Muslims stifled science for hundreds of years?
Remember when the liberals fought against science in the Scopes-Monkey trial?
Remember when the liberals tried to push bronze age myths in the schools?
 
abiG said:
I hope the true believers understand the implications here.

CLIFFS: HHS has not been protecting us and vaccines being safe and effective is not settled science.

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I agree. RFK is a hero. Before we immunize doctors and hospitals for injecting these chemical cocktails they know nothing about, we should at least know how individuals will react to them. The groupthink campaign on this subject is absolutely intolerable.
 
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