Regardless what you think of the Jon Jones lie detector test....

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  1. revoltub

    revoltub blackwater Belt

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    Would you like to see other fighters take it?

    I mean eff it though right? I mean lie detectors arent admissable in court, which means they arent accurate at all. Unlike eyewitness testimony and dental records.

    So hey what would it hurt? Sure some guys will beat it because they "lie to themselves". But surely nobody would lie to themselves that they were guilty when they aren't. Basically nobody would convince themself that they did roids when they didn't.

    With that in mind I personally wouldn't mind seeing other guys take the test. Perferably guys we know are clean like Bisping. Hed pass easily and it would be cool to see guys step up just for shits n gigs if nothing else.
     
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  2. calisoul

    calisoul Purple Belt

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    Lie Detectors are bullshit. they are not accurate.

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  3. Tuf_guy

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    Hmmm...
    Did read, but kind of lost here.
     
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  5. ch1584

    ch1584 Orange Belt

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    Not really. I think we waste enough time as it is
     
  6. revoltub

    revoltub blackwater Belt

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    Hmm,can you provide a source as to why this is?
     
  7. revoltub

    revoltub blackwater Belt

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    We?
     
  8. revoltub

    revoltub blackwater Belt

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    Yes you can learn to beat it

    But you can't learn to fail it.
     
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    Spearfish CA Silver Belt Platinum Member

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    The thing about real life is: it's not court.


    Lie detectors are manipulable insofar as with training, a person can learn to beat them.

    More importantly, in the inherently stressful environment of a police interrogation, false negatives become far too likely.

    For both these reasons, polygraph evidence could in fact be highly prejudicial and not probative, and we would have no way of distinguishing when that happens.

    I also think the training to analyze results turns out to be quite specialized and so when it turned out most cops wouldn't be qualified to lay the foundation for the evidence, the practice of taking polygraphs was abandoned.




    But in real life? I think it's probably probative if Jon gave a lie detector test and tested negative. He's probably either telling the truth or he trained himself to beat a polygraph. I guess we can decide which one is more likely. My point is simply that we shouldn't just pretend something didn't happen because it wouldn't be admissible in court. Trust me; that's asinine.
     
  10. Theproof

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    Lol at MMA nerds and geeks holding on to and wishing for Jones not to come out of this innocent just because he is a rich, successful, athlete.

    Same bums who wish for steroid freak Brock Lesnar to come back and complete

    I've been saying this for months. Jones is innocent and his legacy will not be touched, much to the dismay of his jabroni haters.
     
  11. revoltub

    revoltub blackwater Belt

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    Good post.

    Do you think a guy like Bisping could get a false negative? Surely man guy couldn't be mAnipulated to the point they fail falsely
     
  12. LockardTheGOAT

    LockardTheGOAT Sherdog's Intellectual Savior

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    If it isn't reliable, then what's the point of wanting to see other fighters take it?
     
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    Eyewitness testimony is horribly flawed. There have been SOOO many people who had their cases overturned because the case was won on Eyewitness testimony that was later been proven completely wrong.

    Lie detectors are not admissible because A) they USED to be unreliable, now they are much better. and B) the training required to perform a test is expensive, hard to come by, and not really a black-and-white situation, C) they used to be easy to cheat on, and D) A decent lawyer makes it into a subjects word vs the test administrator's word situation.

    My state uses them for people on probation and paroll. They seem to be pretty accurate, enough so that warrants are gotten due to the result (usually for sex crimes) and they rarely have a result that shows deception NOT be verified as a lie. A friend of mine is a PO and he says the most common is chomos being asked if they viewed any pornographic or suggestive images of children and when they are found to be lying (according to the polygraph) they nearly always find evidence it was a lie. He said they have never found such for people showing they told the truth, despite making the same searches (which happens when they are drug/alcohol tested at the same time and THAT shows up positive)
     
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    No. It's too easy to fool and a waste of time.
     
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    Sorry I don't understand the question
     
  17. Theproof

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    Aye boy don't be making personal attacks on me. I:m not the one. Feel me potna?

    They don't call me that baaaadasss buspass for nothing you little bum.

    You little haters want so bad for Jones to be guilty. You should be hoping for the opposite if you guys are true MMA fans. Don't be mde because he fucked up your favorite fighter. Embrace your master, Lord Jones that is
     
  18. revoltub

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    If you are telling the truth, you most likely wont fail.
     
  19. ch1584

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    Sherdoggers. Last thing we need is more worthless information to pour over.
     
  20. revoltub

    revoltub blackwater Belt

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    That's the whole point of a forum
     

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