Refugees are a rod in God's hand against Atheist Sweden

[Renard]

Thread is nonsense but it's correct in the sense that there's a cultural vacuum.

A lot of what Peterson says is based around the idea that people in the west need to relearn their value structure, find meaning in their lives, know who they are, know where they're going, be strong, be responsible, otherwise it's easy to fall prey to nihilism and ideological indoctrination.

 

[IDL]

The bible doesn't talk about Sweden. You are arrogantly trying to claim you know where and when God chooses to do his work. That makes you no better than a psychic or astrologist. Jesus probably hates you.

Is the bible not meant as a tome of wisdom of sorts, that is applicable to real life. As in, are lessons and concepts not taught that can be applied universally?

That the bible doesn't specifically single out modern day Sweden seems an odd sticking point when it comes to applying lessons of history.

 

[Deleted member 196663]

If I am not mistaken, the bible does have the concept of different peoples and fortunes and misfortunes bestowed upon them.

The Bible talks about it in a different context than people abusing it for their own personal interests.

 

[IDL]

Thread is nonsense but it's correct in the sense that there's a cultural vacuum.

A lot of what Peterson says is based around the idea that people in the west need to relearn their value structure, find meaning in their lives, know who they are, know where they're going, be strong, be responsible, otherwise it's easy to fall prey to nihilism and ideological indoctrination.

Yeah the concept itself is a universal one and isn't specific to the bible IMO. While the TS uses the bible, really I think it is conveying something along the lines of what you just said.

 

[Bald1]

He's spent most of his energy living in a tent, writing unhinged manifestos. This really isn't a bad attempt from a guy using his lawyers cell phone.

Tent manifestos are lame. Ones written in caves by illiterate warlords? Now that's my jam!

 

[Deleted member 196663]

Is the bible not meant as a tome of wisdom of sorts, that is applicable to real life. As in, are lessons and concepts not taught that can be applied universally?

That the bible doesn't specifically single out modern day Sweden seems an odd sticking point when it comes to applying lessons of history.

No sane Christian should try to point at world events and then speak on behalf of God for why it is occurring. That's not wisdom, that's arrogance. It's insanity.

 

[Gutter Chris]

By giving us life? If a child burns his parents shit and attacks them, is the Father and asshole for disciplining the child? Or is the child a stupid little asshole that needs to be taught his lesson???

Yea slaughter and barbarism is the best way to punish children who you .... gave free will to..... and then never bothered to show up and talk to ever again

Get outta here with this bullshit dude.

 

[TheGreatA]

Christian meekness is not the issue. Fucking USA stomps motherfuckers and it is as Christian as it gets. We have only gotten weaker with the rise of the godless assholes aka the left/democrats/neo-marxists.

We have to be more christian and reject non-Christians and their bullshit.

Norse paganism was weak as fuck and got replaced by Christianity very easily.

Christian belief system was absorbed into Germanic cultural tradition, since the rulers felt it was easier to rule over a more docile, collective Christian population rather than a pagan, individual one. However, this also meant that the previously "pacifist" Christianity eventually turned into a tool for Germanic civilizations to utilize as a means to wage religious war, Crusades and such. Christianity molded around each civilization that it came in touch with, because it's a submissive religion, a tool, rather than a strict system of beliefs. It's willing to compromise from its tenets, as long as people practise their faith under its name.

The Americans run their own version of "Christianity" but it has nothing to do with Jesus's teachings from the Bible. It's a version of Christianity where Jesus dual-wielded Uzis and blasted the crap out of the Romans, rather than "turning the other cheek" and getting crucified without resistance.

Being "Christian" is just an identity at this point, and going back to the religious framework as a way to guide ourselves through life is no longer possible. It has been broken, beyond repair, here in the West. We can either acknowledge that, or make an ass out of ourselves.

Sweden, despite many Swedes being non-religious at this point, is the greatest example of Christianity in practise. See where it got them. The sooner you realize that the things you claim to hate and despise, are pretty much the result of Jesus's teachings, the easier it will be on you. You'll no longer have to live as a hypocrite.

 

[IDL]

No sane Christian should try to point at world events and then speak on behalf of God for why it is occurring. That's not wisdom, that's arrogance. It's insanity.

So applying any sort of lesson from the bible to modern day is off limits?

I mean, sure it is one thing to disagree with how a lesson is being applied, and to say you don't think it applies. But it is another thing to say that applying such things in general, is a no-go. That would render the bible useless.

 

[Grenz]

I would say Christianity is exactly what's wrong here. The Swedes need to go back to worshipping Odin and his crew and this little problem will figure itself out in no time.

 

[Sir Galahad]

Since it is Easter and the anniversary of the pinnacle of the history of mankind, thought this would be good time to bring it up in relation to current events.

Basically, there is the book of Jonah in the bible. It is a time that Israel is abandoning God and taking up other gods and worshipping idols.
God sends Jonah to warn Ninevah (capital of Assyria) to repent. Even though they are not God's people. Ninevah repents. Then the Assyrians takes over Israel and force their way of living and religion on the people of Israel.
Also, Jonah spent 3 days in a whale and Jesus used this as an allegory to his Crucifixion and resurrection (on the 3rd day).


This is used to chastise the people of Israel for abandoning God but also to bring them back to God. It is not permanent. When the people of Israel repent and turn back to God, Israel will be theirs again.


Now, apply this to Sweden. Sweden was once predominantly Christian. Now it has the highest Atheism rate in the world.

So they have turned away from God.

Look what Isaiah warned Israel about and apply it to Sweden.


…Assyria, the rod of my anger, in whose hand is the club of my wrath! I send him against a godless nation (Israel), I dispatch him against a people who anger me, to seize loot and snatch plunder, and to trample them down like mud in the streets. (Isaiah 10:5-6)
^ sound like Sweden???

Now, insert the muslim refugees. They are a foreign people with different values and religion and are imposing this on the Swedish people. And yes, the committing of violent crime whether burning schools down or raping women for not being muslim is imposing themselves on the Swedes.
A further display of Swedes giving up on God is they do not even allow for TRUTH anymore, whether it is deliberately not keeping nationality stats on crimes ANYMORE or denying science such as there is only male and female.
You will see Sweden at the forefront of leftist/post-modern/marxist ridiculousness.

The only way Sweden will regain its dignity is by humbling itself to the Almighty.

As Jesus warned Israel he warns the WESTERN WORLD which succeeded due to their dedication to God.

Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. (Matt 21:43).

This generation is an evil generation; it seeks a sign, but no sign will be given it, except the sign of Jonah. Just as Jonah became a sign to the Ninevites, so will the Son of Man be to this generation. At the judgment the queen of the south will rise with the men of this generation and she will condemn them, because she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and there is something greater than Solomon here. At the judgment the men of Nineveh will arise with this generation and condemn it, because at the preaching of Jonah they repented, and there is something greater than Jonah here. (Luke 11:29-32)



/Cliffs: Over and over again the Bible proves to be true.

 

[P4p Islam]

Since it is Easter and the anniversary of the pinnacle of the history of mankind, thought this would be good time to bring it up in relation to current events.

Basically, there is the book of Jonah in the bible. It is a time that Israel is abandoning God and taking up other gods and worshipping idols.
God sends Jonah to warn Ninevah (capital of Assyria) to repent. Even though they are not God's people. Ninevah repents. Then the Assyrians takes over Israel and force their way of living and religion on the people of Israel.
Also, Jonah spent 3 days in a whale and Jesus used this as an allegory to his Crucifixion and resurrection (on the 3rd day).


This is used to chastise the people of Israel for abandoning God but also to bring them back to God. It is not permanent. When the people of Israel repent and turn back to God, Israel will be theirs again.


Now, apply this to Sweden. Sweden was once predominantly Christian. Now it has the highest Atheism rate in the world.

So they have turned away from God.

Look what Isaiah warned Israel about and apply it to Sweden.


…Assyria, the rod of my anger, in whose hand is the club of my wrath! I send him against a godless nation (Israel), I dispatch him against a people who anger me, to seize loot and snatch plunder, and to trample them down like mud in the streets. (Isaiah 10:5-6)
^ sound like Sweden???

Now, insert the muslim refugees. They are a foreign people with different values and religion and are imposing this on the Swedish people. And yes, the committing of violent crime whether burning schools down or raping women for not being muslim is imposing themselves on the Swedes.
A further display of Swedes giving up on God is they do not even allow for TRUTH anymore, whether it is deliberately not keeping nationality stats on crimes ANYMORE or denying science such as there is only male and female.
You will see Sweden at the forefront of leftist/post-modern/marxist ridiculousness.

The only way Sweden will regain its dignity is by humbling itself to the Almighty.

As Jesus warned Israel he warns the WESTERN WORLD which succeeded due to their dedication to God.

Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. (Matt 21:43).

This generation is an evil generation; it seeks a sign, but no sign will be given it, except the sign of Jonah. Just as Jonah became a sign to the Ninevites, so will the Son of Man be to this generation. At the judgment the queen of the south will rise with the men of this generation and she will condemn them, because she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and there is something greater than Solomon here. At the judgment the men of Nineveh will arise with this generation and condemn it, because at the preaching of Jonah they repented, and there is something greater than Jonah here. (Luke 11:29-32)



/Cliffs: Over and over again the Bible proves to be true.

We get it.

You hate everyone that isn't a white christian american.

 

[Feniamin]

I lost some wiki page that had Sweden as the most atheist, even more than china which surprised me. I guess it is based on what poll you use.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

But here is a wiki about Europe that has Sweden only behind CZ (it is all european) as far as believing in God, but Sweden is #1 for not believing in God or spirits or anything.

To address this: "Japan, China, North Korea and Hong Kong (if I'm not mistaken) (according to wikipedia Estonia and Czech Republic is even less religious European countries in EU than Sweden"

I am only talking about countries which rose to the top whilst having a predominantly christian populace. This was never the case for Japan or China and etc so why would God punish them for turning away from Him when they never turned towards him?

You are not providing an argument to my claim.

My claim is only to the Christian west.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism#Sweden "18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a God", whereas 45% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force" and 34% that "they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God, or life force". This, according to the survey, would make Swedes the third least religious people in the 28-member European Union, after Estonia and the Czech Republic."
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism#Europe "According to the same Survey the religiously unaffiliated make up the majority of the population in only two European countries: the Czech Republic (76%) and Estonia (60%).[41]"

 

[Bargey]

Not even God can save Sweden.

 

[Madmick]

LOL, fuck this thread.

Secular humanism has clowned every other system of government so badly it's a wonder of marvelous ignorance-- some might call it the 9th wonder-- that any of you still pray to these apparitions.

 

[GORETAURO]

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism#Sweden "18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a God", whereas 45% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force" and 34% that "they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God, or life force". This, according to the survey, would make Swedes the third least religious people in the 28-member European Union, after Estonia and the Czech Republic."
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism#Europe "According to the same Survey the religiously unaffiliated make up the majority of the population in only two European countries: the Czech Republic (76%) and Estonia (60%).[41]"

Not sure what your point is. Maybe there is different stats in this article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

Regardless, you will see that Sweden is one of the most atheist places of christian western europe.

LOL, fuck this thread.

Secular humanism has clowned every other system of government so badly it's a wonder of marvelous ignorance-- some might call it the 9th wonder-- that any of you still pray to these apparitions.

What do you mean by "Secular humanism" --- what countries are we talking about?
I don't want you to be confused here. I am in NO WAY STATING WE SHOULD BE A THEOCRACY.

The USA is the best society ever, and if you don't think we are a christian country then you have issues, and if you think that the losing of Christianity is not bringing us down I guess you are okay with the current crazy SJW bullshit???

I am simply stating that our western culture is based on a few things and one of the main things is christianity and its values. When the percentage of christians go down in these countries they will move towards socialism and crazy shit---Like Sweden is right now.

Now, are you saying you see no parallel between Ninevah/Israel and current Sweden with its refugees?

Straight from the Bible" …Assyria, the rod of my anger, in whose hand is the club of my wrath! I send him against a godless nation (Israel), I dispatch him against a people who anger me, to seize loot and snatch plunder, and to trample them down like mud in the streets. (Isaiah 10:5-6)
-- sounds exactly what happened to Sweden.


What happens when our societies lose God??? Well, check out the USSR---- a place worse than fucking HITLER GERMANY. Like how do you top that?

Yea slaughter and barbarism is the best way to punish children who you .... gave free will to..... and then never bothered to show up and talk to ever again

Get outta here with this bullshit dude.

Do you understand what the world was like at the time??? As bad as you think this might be....the rest of the world was worse.

So, God can do nothing and let his people give up God and all chance for salvation for all time and the world will not enjoy the great things that christianity brought us, or he can just not give a shit. I prefer the former. Dumb asses prefer the latter.

Thread is nonsense but it's correct in the sense that there's a cultural vacuum.

A lot of what Peterson says is based around the idea that people in the west need to relearn their value structure, find meaning in their lives, know who they are, know where they're going, be strong, be responsible, otherwise it's easy to fall prey to nihilism and ideological indoctrination.

Well, not it is not nonsense. But yes, Peterson is right that we have to re-take up the interest in christianity or we will become socialists which will once again lead to genocide.

Yeah the concept itself is a universal one and isn't specific to the bible IMO. While the TS uses the bible, really I think it is conveying something along the lines of what you just said.

What I am saying is if you give up God bad shit happens. It is happening with Sweden. It happened to Russia. And it seems the "death" of God always leads to totalitarianism.

Which is a lot of what Peterson (who is deeply religious) pretty much said.

 

[Deleted member 196663]

So applying any sort of lesson from the bible to modern day is off limits?

I mean, sure it is one thing to disagree with how a lesson is being applied, and to say you don't think it applies. But it is another thing to say that applying such things in general, is a no-go. That would render the bible useless.

When IDL's loved one dies, or if he gets cancer, it's because God is punishing him for that one whore he slept with.

That's what we're dealing with here. Your sugar-coating is intellectual dishonesty.

 

[hillelslovak87]

The Easter story is horseshit, bolted into place decades after the non events it cannot even plausibly describe. Really? When Jesus died, the veil of the firmament tore? The veil of the firmament does not exist, because the earth is not a bowl, and Jerusalem is not the center of creation, considering we live on a sphere that rotates around the sun. How is a thinking person supposed to listen to a story where an earthquake shakes the dead out of their graves and they walk around, talking to the people they knew in life?

And to OP: This country was founded upon enlightenment values, and our constitution only even mentions religion when it is talking about how to limit it. Our first treaty with Tripoli should bore out the fact that we are not a christian country, an this fact is hammered further by the fact that many of the men who wrote our founding doctrines were christians. James Madison was a strident christian, and fought for a secular state just as much as Thomas Jefferson.

 

[hillelslovak87]

The American Taliban speaks

These people. goddamn. Using faith, and thinking along the lines of the followers of Nostradamus, who conveniently is found to have predicted things AFTER they occurred.

 

[helltoupee]

Christian belief system was absorbed into Germanic cultural tradition, since the rulers felt it was easier to rule over a more docile, collective Christian population rather than a pagan, individual one. However, this also meant that the previously "pacifist" Christianity eventually turned into a tool for Germanic civilizations to utilize as a means to wage religious war, Crusades and such. Christianity molded around each civilization that it came in touch with, because it's a submissive religion, a tool, rather than a strict system of beliefs. It's willing to compromise from its tenets, as long as people practise their faith under its name.

The Americans run their own version of "Christianity" but it has nothing to do with Jesus's teachings from the Bible. It's a version of Christianity where Jesus dual-wielded Uzis and blasted the crap out of the Romans, rather than "turning the other cheek" and getting crucified without resistance.

Being "Christian" is just an identity at this point, and going back to the religious framework as a way to guide ourselves through life is no longer possible. It has been broken, beyond repair, here in the West. We can either acknowledge that, or make an ass out of ourselves.

Sweden, despite many Swedes being non-religious at this point, is the greatest example of Christianity in practise. See where it got them. The sooner you realize that the things you claim to hate and despise, are pretty much the result of Jesus's teachings, the easier it will be on you. You'll no longer have to live as a hypocrite.

Great post.