Reem has a better resume then Cain

[mmacasualviewer]

Mitrione, Rothwell, others would beat them both tomorrow.

 

[Thaijitsu612]

No sport takes losses into account until a tie breaker.

Example: NFL playoffs - 2 teams are attempting to get into the wild card position.
Team A has a record of 11 wins
Team B has a record of 10 wins

Team A gets in the playoffs because they have more victories. Easy right? MMA, boxing, whatever is the same.

Fighter A has 11 quality victories
Fighter B has 10 quality victories
Fighter A has the better resume.

Fighter A might have 20 more losses than fighter B, doesn't matter.
Hendo and Big Nog are perfect examples of that being the case.

That's because in those sports teams play the same number of games. If you habe more wins you have less losses.

And here "quality" victories is subjective. How much weight does beating frank mir on a four fight skid really hold? Or arlovski. The only win on reems resume worth mentioning when comparing him to cain is werdum

 

[cyborgassassin]

Reem has a better Resume for sure.

Better overall Fighter imo too

 

[SCTwins]

not really a fair comparison.

cain has 16 fights. Reem has 60

Facts.

Counting losses at HW with a guy who's stayed active since Pride and a guy who fights as often as an eclipse is simply ridiculous.

 

[kwd1253]

Who is this Cain fighter? Oh that guy might fight one time a year or two .. reem might have better resume. But Cain would beat reem so that all you need to know

 

[mmacasualviewer]

Cain beat both of these prime time brawlers.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

A lot of Hw's have a better resume than Cain

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

its not a popular opinion because it isnt true-

most people know a resume is a work history.

Reem has a history of 15 losses,
including bums like Travis Browne, Chuck Liddell, and people youve never heard of.

Cain has 2 losses- JDS and Werdum, 2of the best 5 HWs ever.

dumb thread.

Cain has the record of a noob coming into UFC, not a veteran former 2 time champion. why? because he barely fights, not only does he have a limited amount of fights, those limited amounts of fights are chocked full of rematches against 2 guys and truck drivers.

let's see who he has on his record. JDS, Bigfoot, Travis Browne, and Rothwell are his best wins. 2 of those guys have never fought for a title and the other 2 he got to pad his record by beating them over and over again.

Overeem has losses, but that's because he's, figuratively speaking, traveled the ocean of MMA top competition over 2 weight classes, in different organizations, across different sports.

while Cain is a big fish in a little pond. yeah, he's whooping those guppies and he's beat a few tough guys, but he hasn't seen the ocean, and nor will he ever. he's too old, too injured, and too sloppy to not come out the other end without a lot of losses himself.

all you have to remember is that a 40 yr old jiu jitsu specialist was beating the shit out of him in striking and outcardio'ing the "cardio machine" in his own Mexican backyard.

if you think Chuck Liddell is a bum you need to check yourself

 

[leatherneck]

No sport takes losses into account until a tie breaker.

Example: NFL playoffs - 2 teams are attempting to get into the wild card position.
Team A has a record of 11 wins
Team B has a record of 10 wins

Team A gets in the playoffs because they have more victories. Easy right? MMA, boxing, whatever is the same.

Fighter A has 11 quality victories
Fighter B has 10 quality victories
Fighter A has the better resume.

Fighter A might have 20 more losses than fighter B, doesn't matter.
Hendo and Big Nog are perfect examples of that being the case.

they absolutely take losses into account- its a zero sum game.

this isnt even debatable- there is never a team with 10 wins,
a 2nd team with 10 wins,

but 1 team has 1 loss and other team has 10 losses and theyre trying to decide who gets in the playoffs.

back to your first point- see college football- they absolutely count losses.

IF THEY ARENT UNDEFEATED, THEY HAVE NO SHOT. EVEN WITH THE SAME # OF WINS

 

[BROWNPRIDE]

Reem can't take a punch and has been ko'd to many times, way to many loses.

 

[leatherneck]

let's see who he has on his record. JDS, Bigfoot, Travis Browne, and Rothwell are his best wins.

if you think Chuck Liddell is a bum you need to check yourself

Rothwell, Bigfoot and Browne are on Overeem's record too.

only as losses.

and yes, Chuck is overrated.

if UFC from 2010-2017 is, according to you,

"a small pond",

then it was a birdbath 200-2005.

so what happened when Chuck became an international jet-setter, like Overeem?

he beat Overeem, then got whupped.

dont get me wrong, i loved the "Ubereem: version- and wanted him to fight Fedor.

but he was shockingly disappointing vs Werdum in Strikeforce (many thought he lost that fight, and would have if Werdum didnt keep flopping)

sorry bro, thats just how it all happened.

 

[leatherneck]

probably the last time i respond, but he brings up a fair point:

Facts.

Counting losses at HW with a guy who's stayed active since Pride and a guy who fights as often as an eclipse is simply ridiculous.

this in general is true- a fighter at the end is bound to have more losses- so i already did a head to head comparison of 16 fights, and Cain dramatically was more impressive.

if you cant see that even early on,
Overeem was more prone to lose,

AN D THEREFORE NOT AS GOOD,

I DONT KNOW WHAT TO SAY.

 

[AusMMAfan]

Cain fights like once a year, I'm not surprised.

Then when he does fight it is normally against the same fighters(Big foot, JDS, Werdum).

 

[Typrune Goatley]

Cain could never get to 60 fights. He only has like 15 or something.

And if he did have that many fights, he would likely have close to the same amount of losses as Reem.

Reem has been fighting FOREVER.

 

[Taric]

And here "quality" victories is subjective. How much weight does beating frank mir on a four fight skid really hold? Or arlovski. The only win on reems resume worth mentioning when comparing him to cain is werdum

Quality is pretty simple honestly. Were they a top 10 fighter at the time of the fight, or were they not.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Who is this Cain guy everybody is talking about?
I started watching teh UFC in 2014 and since that he was embarassed by Werdum and beat Travis Browne who everybody beats these days.

I thought this Cain was retired or something.

 

[moreorless87]

The problem is Overeem has loses to Bigfoot, Browne, Rothwell and Stipe during his recent run where as Cain only has loses to JDS and Wedum.

 

[Taric]

they absolutely take losses into account- its a zero sum game.

this isnt even debatable- there is never a team with 10 wins,
a 2nd team with 10 wins,

but 1 team has 1 loss and other team has 10 losses and theyre trying to decide who gets in the playoffs.

back to your first point- see college football- they absolutely count losses.

IF THEY ARENT UNDEFEATED, THEY HAVE NO SHOT. EVEN WITH THE SAME # OF WINS

Who gets into college football bowl games, and who is ranked and who isn't, is based entirely on votes (BCS ranking). It's a totally different system that honestly nobody really understands.

And just to emphasize this point again. Once you start subtracting wins by the number of losses on a record, you are quite literally doubling the power of a loss on that fighters record.

 

[leatherneck]

Quality is pretty simple honestly. Were they a top 10 fighter at the time of the fight, or were they not.

agreed- its simple.

so take BOTH of their tp 10 opponents- what were the rankings of these opponents, and what was their record against them?

(i dont know how to do this, but i know you are quick and honest about it)

now tell me how Overeem is better.

 

[Sapp]

Overeem has a great resume, so this isn't surprising.