Recently updated Turinabol methods in 2016 responsible for Jones' failure

Ling Ling said:
Are you certain they keep samples for 70 years ? That just doesn't seem right to me.
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I could swear I heard that earlier but someone else in this thread said it was 10 years, so maybe that is correct. Just did a quick Google search but found nothing. It's a long time either way.
 
HIMBOB said:
Was it a similar testing upgrade that resulted in the Clomid failure?

That was my opinion but i saw nothing to support it.
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A lot of boxers recently got popped for Ostarine; I'm betting that there was a test upgrade for that, too
 
phil5150 said:
They shouldn't have honked. God damn hoodlums!!!!
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Lol!

Poor guy tho, the hair blew off his head at 23 and he still suffers from depression to this day. Interestingly he developed a pain pill, coke and adder all habit after this. I wouldn't be surprised if Jon drinks and snorts so much to get his serotonin and dopamine levels up from all the cycling. Seems like every steroid user I've known turns to something to cope with the depression from cycling or coming off completely.
 
bad seed said:
Penn, Hunt and Frankie are the only elite fighters I trust to have natty careers.
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diaz bros. genki sudo. demian maia. sakuraba. it's legit hard to name people who would likely have NEVER juiced. i don't think Condit or wonderboy would have either, but hard to be sure.
 
StoneWT said:
It's not like Ronda was destroying her opponents pre-USADA and suddenly turned to shit post-USADA.
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Neither did Holly. That fight was post-USADA.

EDIT: Now that I check it, Ronda was 11-0 pre-USADA and 1-2 post. So if that's what you're referencing, ICUWDT.
 
Paradigm said:
BJ already got popped by USADA tho...

http://mmajunkie.com/2016/06/usada-announces-six-month-suspension-for-b-j-penn

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cmon bro, we all know thats as phony as the Machida "violation". I mean real juicers.

Maroli said:
diaz bros. genki sudo. demian maia. sakuraba. it's legit hard to name people who would likely have NEVER juiced. i don't think Condit or wonderboy would have either, but hard to be sure.
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Good call on Diaz bros and Sudo. Maia most likely never juiced, but being so deep in Brazil's BJJ scene where roids are rampant it woulnd't surprise me if he dabbled in the past. Sakuraba seems like the kind of guy who would try anything recklessly so I can imagine him popping some dbol and tbol when they were passed around like candy during PRIDE.
 
ImNotSurpisedDonks! said:
Lol!

Poor guy tho, the hair blew off his head at 23 and he still suffers from depression to this day. Interestingly he developed a pain pill, coke and adder all habit after this. I wouldn't be surprised if Jon drinks and snorts so much to get his serotonin and dopamine levels up from all the cycling. Seems like every steroid user I've known turns to something to cope with the depression from cycling or coming off completely.
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Steroids is a helluva drug.
I've seen many of friends downward spiral much like you stated.
 
elwani said:
Wouldn't detection have happened much earlier if it was due to an improvement in testing made in 2016?
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Could be differences in the lab equipment between UCLA (LA), SMRTL (Salt Lake), and INRS (Montreal). One lab may be able to detect the metabolite at lower concentrations than the others, or his Udine may have been more dilute in other tests.

Or he could have just fucked up, and intentionally taken it. Or taken a sketchy supplement tainted with it.

Or he may have taken something that he thought was a safe ped, but as with his backroom cialis, it could have been contaminated with something else. Turinabol isn't used anywhere for medical purposes, on humans or animals. It's only produced for black market bullshit. I doubt a lot of the places that make it have the best standards for keeping their production lines separate, or for coaching their equipment.
 
sirmorbach said:
Hahaha, just imagine if they managed to find a way to test everyone retroactively. Motherfuckers would all go crazy. There would be no one left.
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Well that would cost a shit ton of money to do

Not sure if they wanna go that far really
 
Pacemaker Joe said:
Yea. And he likely could have gotten a TUE. I think BJ, for whatever reason, just didn't understand that the iv ban didn't just apply to weigh ins.
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Wasn't it also his first fight back in a while?

Probably just didnt know all the rules
 
TheRuthlessOne said:
Wasn't it also his first fight back in a while?

Probably just didnt know all the rules
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Yes, it was supposed to be his first fight since twinkle toes. The amount of ignorance about what the actual rules were then was pretty high.
 
ImNotSurpisedDonks! said:
JacksonWink fighters right now be like:

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That camp is so fucking shady (on par with ATT)
 
The list of fighters who aren't using PEDS is becoming smaller and smaller by day. The only fighter I am confident has never used any type of PED is Frankie Edgar.
 
bad seed said:
cmon bro, we all know thats as phony as the Machida "violation". I mean real juicers.


Good call on Diaz bros and Sudo. Maia most likely never juiced, but being so deep in Brazil's BJJ scene where roids are rampant it woulnd't surprise me if he dabbled in the past. Sakuraba seems like the kind of guy who would try anything recklessly so I can imagine him popping some dbol and tbol when they were passed around like candy during PRIDE.
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J lau and machida.
I know machida has a failure but he did declare it beforehand.
 
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